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Once the dumb mass hysteria pandemic pandemonium has passed then these resources will become an expense and a sunk-money loss.
The pathogenesis was unclear when every governor demanded ventilators at the beginning, and front lines following SARS/MERS protocols with ventilators saw 80% death rates.

It can be argued the next round of pandemics can behave similar to SARS/MERS, and ventilators(that go back to national/state stockpiles) can be back in vogue again.
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Apparently the national stockpile was depleted/drained in 2009(H1N1 time?), and there has been no funding for 11 years to replenish.

Why have 3 administrations ignored the depleted stockpile for 11 years?

My thinking is that dumb mass hysteria pandemic pandemonium, or "just a flu" sentiment, that is popular on this thread, can be one culprit.
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My thinking is that dumb mass hysteria pandemic pandemonium, or "just a flu" sentiment, that is popular on this thread, can be one culprit.
Sentiment rarely moves a human. Money and fear of harder work does. I believe the reason for any failure like this is simple:
  1. it would cost too damn much money, (cause man gotta make his own)
  2. there was no current reason to be scared, and
  3. it'd be too hard to try to get people to agree that they should spend the money cause
  4. See #1
Rinse/repeat across the *human* condition rather than a political one

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Found this guy again (circa 2014):
Understanding the Risk of Bat Coronavirus Emergence Novel zoonotic, bat-origin CoVs are a significant threat to global health and food security, as the cause of SARS in China in 2002, the ongoing outbreak of MERS, and of a newly emerged Swine Acute Diarrhea Syndrome in China. In a previous R01 we found that bats in southern China harbor an extraordinary diversity of SARSr-CoVs, some of which can use human ACE2 to enter cells, infect humanized mouse models causing SARS-like illness, and evade available therapies or vaccines. We found that people living close to bat habitats are the primary risk groups for spillover, that at one site diverse SARSr-CoVs exist that contain every genetic element of the SARS-CoV genome, and identified serological evidence of human exposure among people living nearby. These findings have led to 18 published peer-reviewed papers, including two papers in Nature, and a review in Cell. Yet salient questions remain on the origin, diversity, capacity to cause illness, and risk of spillover of these viruses. In this R01 renewal we will address these issues through 3 specific aims:
https://grantome.com/grant/NIH/R01-AI110964-06

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Shhh! That kinda crap cant sow dissonance and lead everyone else into our own, lonely misery where we seek the one thing misery loves. Company! It sure as hell can't sell adds.
Leading everyone else into our own works when most spend the time to understand the facts and science, and adjust collectively.

That works very well in our locales, but not the norm in some other locations as reported in the news.
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Some folks are into Chinese propaganda
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TED is glib nonsense.

Wow @ "the folly of man"! Just last night watched The Da Vinci Code!
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That works very well in our locales, but not the norm in some other locations as reported in the news.
You're suggesting that violence is the 'norm' in some locations? Score one for the news media.
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Sentiment rarely moves a human. Money and fear of harder work does. I believe the reason for any failure like this is simple:
  1. it would cost too damn much money, (cause man gotta make his own)
  2. there was no current reason to be scared, and
  3. it'd be too hard to try to get people to agree that they should spend the money cause
  4. See #1
Rinse/repeat across the *human* condition rather than a political one
There is truth that resources are finite and there are many problems that need attention.

On that note, a public health person(not the popular names) commented that public health is supposedly to be invisible when it works.

As a result, public health tends to get budget cut first, since its importance is hard to measure.

Well it looks like there is no free lunch, the price is still paid one way or another ....
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Old 05-11-2020, 04:19 PM
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You're suggesting that violence is the 'norm' in some locations? Score one for the news media.
No the norm is w.r.t. to collectively adjust to mask wearing(and other self initiated measures), not violence from mask or otherwise.
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Well it looks like there is no free lunch, the price is still paid one way or another ....
Exactly! So we can spend hours breathlessly combing through what (we're gonna swear) really happened. Then, let's have ginormous pointless debate about whether or not the players wore pink or blue jerseys. Then, based on whether we like pink or blue better, let's assign blame for why it happened.

Anyone wanna know why nothing happened about XYZ? (or whatever is today's exhaustive shortfall of mankind's effort to govern) It's cause THAT mental masturbation above is way *easier* than actually getting each other off of our collective asses and motivated to get work done.

Instead of saving the child, indict the parents for making poor choices. And convict him before he's left his thumb.
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In the meantime, it's going to be 104 į here in the Mediterranean over the weekend. Should kill the virus.

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Exactly! So we can spend hours breathlessly combing through what (we're gonna swear) really happened. Then, let's have ginormous pointless debate about whether or not the players wore pink or blue jerseys. Then, based on whether we like pink or blue better, let's assign blame for why it happened.
The different colors are just noise, it is basically street smart/street sense or lack of.

To paraphrase, from my perspective, the current outcome has been driven by how the system has been setup to for decades, and the professionals and apparatus have been performing per spec(e.g. when scope is, say, one or two states) given the circumstances, and didn't get realigned until wartime standing was declared.

And the general mass has not been conditioned like those in Taiwan/HK/South Korea, hence there was no street smart, collective response, early enough(e.g. @NYC).

Now that the price has been paid, the mass and govts will self initiate quickly in next round.
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TED is glib nonsense.

Wow @ "the folly of man"! Just last night watched The Da Vinci Code!
Seemed to work for the CIA:


Could help in your everyday life too:




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At this moment, given the lessons learnt and tuition(i.e. lives) paid, the resistance to mask wearing has reduced a lot.
I wear the hardware store dust masks that hook onto your ears because
-my Asian FIL gave us some of his stockpile.
-I have to in order to shop for food and upper suspension arms.

I save the "good" masks I've had for years, the ones with 2 elastics all the way around your head that seal better to your face and filter to a higher level (not neccessarily N95) for when my daughter and I are running CAT-5 or insulating the plumbing under the house or in the attic. Both places make me cough and sneeze.

Picture me in a chair with one of those "convince me I'm wrong" signs... The virus is < 1 micron. The inadequate filtration level of the cheap over the ears dust masks is largely irrelevant because there is a gap at each cheek I could stick a pinky through. A portion of the air I inhale bypasses the filtration entirely.

If I had THE 'RONA, perhaps some of my cough spew would be stopped from spreading because of such a mask, but far from all of it. It would probably squirt out at 4 and 8 o'clock past my cheeks.

But I don't have THE 'RONA. Yes, I could be carrying it without symptoms in which case, yes I am a dick. But it doesn't matter. Any time I approach the doorway of a store, the petri dish of a mask goes back on so everyone feels safe.

If my wife would let me I would sell them all on craigslist.

Hey why hasn't K&N come out with a THE 'RONA face filter you can wash, spray with sticky oil, and re-use? That makes more sense than putting hot air intakes into a 335i and trying to sell it to me.
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Now that the price has been paid, the mass and govts will self initiate quickly in next round.
Love the optimism. Don't share it. Do love it.
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Picture me in a chair with one of those "convince me I'm wrong" signs... The virus is < 1 micron. The inadequate filtration level of the cheap over the ears dust masks is largely irrelevant because there is a gap at each cheek I could stick a pinky through. A portion of the air I inhale bypasses the filtration entirely.

If I had THE 'RONA, perhaps some of my cough spew would be stopped from spreading because of such a mask, but far from all of it. It would probably squirt out at 4 and 8 o'clock past my cheeks.
Dependent on quality of mask(e.g. surgical grade), the forward spread appears to be reduced.

If both parties wear masks, and each mask provides, say, 90% protection(or 10% getting through), then the chance to catch something is 10% x 10% = 1%?
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Listening to WTMJ 620 AM Murkee Urinal Sentinel blowhard radio station this morning as I was running garbage and recyclables to the dump, I heard a commercial advertisement for yet another newly approved COVID genetics test. Part of the spiel was that "we must test all Americans."

A hypothetical benefit of this dumb mass hysteria pandemic pandemonium is that some may learn of statistical significance and specificity and sensitivity. The tout admitted a high false negative rate due to the speed of the test.
And here is a media announcement.

https://medicalxpress.com/news/2020-...screening.html

What a commercial opportunity, only works in Qidelís machine.
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Lockdown Fail in one easy graph. Very interesting and good sources.



https://wattsupwiththat.com/2020/05/...ne-easy-graph/

https://cocalc.com

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https://wattsupwiththat.com/2020/05/...ne-easy-graph/

https://cocalc.com

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This is an interesting graph:

"But, but, butÖ. Correlation is not causation! States could have locked down more tightly in response to the infections! The lockdown rating was as of April 6, 2020 and the infection data are as of May 11, 2020."

How is lockdown rating computed?

Also the graph does not address the fact that with lock-downs, transmissions from hard-hit areas(e.g. NYC) to rest of country are slowed, hence the rest are not as hard-hit.

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In fact, the one thing that HASNíT happened is/are riots or other person-on-person crimes related to COVID.
It depends on where one looks. Mainstream media usually ignores these issues, many colleagues are susceptible to these, and local authorities and PD's try to stay ahead.

https://www.adl.org/blog/reports-of-...avirus-spreads

https://www.mercurynews.com/2020/03/...9-hate-crimes/
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This is another article and video related to COVID incidents.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/coronav...imes-tracking/
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This is another article and video related to COVID incidents.
I only know what I have seen and that's people being nice to each other. No one seems to do news clips about that because it's not scary.
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I only know what I have seen and that's people being nice to each other. No one seems to do news clips about that because it's not scary.
+1

I saw the same people are scary video farmed out across 2 incidents. I believe the playbook for the message is something like this:

Bad news:
  • has to come from a state that is opening more quickly (or slowly) than the author (or his bosses) think they should.
  • has to be from a state that voted or is currently led by the 'other' team of the media outlet's political alignment
    • the state will be either the victim or the culprit. This depends solely on how the house feelz ab the federal government (as it is led today anyway.) Underlying message: "Things'll get better when 'our' guy can work without 'their' guy."
  • would be SO much better (you know for click baits) if there's ANY chance the skin colors of a victim and assailant can be different. This isn't hard and fast as long as the story is from one of those 'bad' states.
    • Bonus points if it fits the labels we've cultivated about the South, Unions, or California.
    • Failing this, look for some deeper racial angle and dive, dive dive till you find blood. Then smear, smear, smear.
  • Gimme Gimme Gimme a weapon. Bigger and blacker the better. Unless of course weapons are good with the house reporting.
  • targets the *negative* affect on the media darlings of the moment. ie: We don't care so much ab 1st responders this time as we do nurses and doctors and old people. And other people's kids. ALWAYS kids! The public understand. We've conditioned them well.
  • needs a hate group so badly that the story will hinge on asphalt oil stains that take the image of...(name the 1st offensive symbol or person that pops up)
  • mentions medical experts so much that the author begins to sound like one.. but only just as the spin takes hold. This is media GOLD! Jerry! GOLD!
Talk about life imitating art.

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