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Old 06-24-2020, 08:36 PM
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Hey all, newbie here. I am looking at buying a 2010 328i with 150k miles. Just looking to hear about general reliability. I know it will need maintenance, but all cars at 150k will. These seem like a pretty solid car and one of BMW's more reliable cars. This car is in very good shape and the dealership is super helpful and has the car priced right. Just looking to get opinions. Car seems to have been well taken care of. I will have a pre-sale inspection done. Please advise.
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Old 06-26-2020, 07:26 AM
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Have the inspection done and see what the mechanic advises. Keep in mind that in order to afford these cars, most of us do our own wrenching. Otherwise, an older BMW can be a wallet flush.....
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Old 06-26-2020, 08:40 AM
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Thanks! I am having a mechanic inspection done.
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Old 06-26-2020, 08:44 AM
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PPI (Pre-purchase inspection) is worth doing. 150K miles is a decent amount of mileage.....

You're looking at the second last year for the E90 328i (assuming we're talking a 4 door here). That puts you into the later model years of the generation, which is definitely where you want to be.

Things to look out for ?
- Ignition coils / plugs
- Leaking valve cover gasket
- Leaking oil filter housing gasket
- Leaking oil pan gasket
- Water pump failure
- Valvetronic system (component) failure
- Worn out drive belt / pulley / tensioner
- Signs of water leakage due to plugged drains

That's the common stuff. The rest is hit or miss - electronics can fail like the iDrive system (if yours is equipped with it), sensors can wear out, blah blah blah, but that stuff is all common to any ICE vehicle.

The expensive items are the water pump and oil pan gaskets, if you're not doing the work yourself.

How much is this car ? I'm betting somewhere between $5K and $10K USD ? Do you have another $3K to $4K USD to drop on preventative maintenance a month after you buy the vehicle ? Here's the laundry list of things that likely need addressing:

- Oil and filter change
- Brake fluid change
- Coolant change
- Transmission fluid and filter change
- Power steering fluid change
- Transfer case fluid change
- Differential fluid change
- Battery replacement
- Drive belt / idler pulley / tensioner replacement

That's the MINIMUM I would personally do. And I've done all the above, at a dealer, so I'm not some dude talking trash about spending money on preventative maintenance - I've actually done it.

If you DON'T have disposable funds available to perform maintenance (whether that's DIY maintenance or at a dealer / indy garage), then DON'T buy the vehicle. If you want this car to last you longer than a handful of months, at that mileage, you need to take proper care of it.
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Old 06-26-2020, 08:55 AM
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It's about $5k purchase price. then drop $4-$5k in preventative maintenance immediately? so it's really a $9-$10k car? No thanks, I will pass. that's crazy.
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It's about $5k purchase price. then drop $4-$5k in preventative maintenance immediately? so it's really a $9-$10k car? No thanks, I will pass. that's crazy.

No no no no.

That's BMW. Porsche. Mercedes too.

Why did you want a BMW?
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Old 06-26-2020, 09:37 AM
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Because it rides very well and drives nice? Not to repair all the time.
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Old 06-26-2020, 10:52 AM
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It's about $5k purchase price. then drop $4-$5k in preventative maintenance immediately? so it's really a $9-$10k car? No thanks, I will pass. that's crazy.
It's a $60K+ car. You're valuing it at the depreciated used purchase cost. The actual cost of the car, when brand new, is $60K+. This means that ALL maintenance, parts, etc, are going to be valued against that original cost.

For example, a brand new crate engine for a 328i is going to run you ~$35K USD. That makes sense, since the engine is the single main component of the vehicle, and since the vehicle is $60K+, the replacement cost of ~$35K is justified. So if you consider that, then spending ~$4K in preventative maintenance to keep the existing engine you have healthy, makes a lot of sense.

Look, these are luxury vehicles. Dropping $1,500.00 next month on an unanticipated repair is supposed to NOT be a material concern for you. That's why I brought it up. There's nothing worse than buying something without a full understanding of what you're "getting into", and then being detrimentally surprised.

Also, just for reference, this isn't limited only to BMW. Mercedes-Benz, Audi, Jaguar, Range Rover, Bentley, take your pick of luxury brand, they're all the same. The luxury "game" is not the same as the econo-game. If it's not a game you can afford to play in, then don't. (I realize that comment might come off as conceded or entitled, but that's not the intent - I'm trying to ensure that you understand what you're getting yourself into and that you're prepared for it)
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thank you Yukoner, and all of you. I appreciate your directness on this subject. I'm just not wanting to pay $5k for a car then have to sink another $4-$5k into it. Not what I am looking to do.
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thank you Yukoner, and all of you. I appreciate your directness on this subject. I'm just not wanting to pay $5k for a car then have to sink another $4-$5k into it. Not what I am looking to do.
I dont think it'll be $3-$5k if you do the work yourself. Everything's on google
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thank you Yukoner, and all of you. I appreciate your directness on this subject. I'm just not wanting to pay $5k for a car then have to sink another $4-$5k into it. Not what I am looking to do.

Ok, but at 150k you are about to invest a lot of money in any vehicle. Spark plug and coils on V6 transverse engines in Asian and American cars could go as high as $1,000. Water pumps too. Do you have maintenance history of that vehicle? If water pump is changed 20k ago, there goes away big chunk of what you need to invest. Ask about vehicle, maintenance records etc.


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Because it rides very well and drives nice? Not to repair all the time.

Actually doesn't ride particularly well especially over potholes. Handles poorly; cornering force causes to roll onto side walls. Can be fixed....but you'll need aftermarket & M3 parts. Click on the suspension link [here].

Wanna have some fun? Test drive M3 to see what you can easily have w/335i, some cash; elbow grease.
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Ok, but at 150k you are about to invest a lot of money in any vehicle. Spark plug and coils on V6 transverse engines in Asian and American cars could go as high as $1,000. Water pumps too. Do you have maintenance history of that vehicle? If water pump is changed 20k ago, there goes away big chunk of what you need to invest. Ask about vehicle, maintenance records etc.

Too true! Best as a hobby car; bad choice for daily driver.
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Did you get a Carfax, which sometimes show the maintenance history. Also, the PPI mechanic should be able to tell you what it needs, and it may need nothing.
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Did you get a Carfax, which sometimes show the maintenance history. Also, the PPI mechanic should be able to tell you what it needs, and it may need nothing.

It will....it willl.
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It will....it willl.

OP has to take into consideration that he is getting advice from people who maintain cars so meticulously that they will easily make 500k. So, things get expensive.


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Too true! Best as a hobby car; bad choice for daily driver.

Mine is, Toyota Sienna is parked just for long trips when whole family is going.
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Better be good with tools and willing to use them!
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This is not my first rodeo with BMW.
Talking about wrenching, I have to replace rear shocks on Sienna, at 69k!


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Talking about wrenching, I have to replace rear shocks on Sienna, at 69k!
Easy, peasy. Plugs on Sienna, 4 hours+; 15 minutes for the front, 4 hours for the back. How about a defective rear O2 sensor......$2000 because the mechanic was too lazy to use a Dremel to remove the rusted nuts. Easier to replace half the exhaust apparently...
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Easy, peasy. Plugs on Sienna, 4 hours+; 15 minutes for the front, 4 hours for the back. How about a defective rear O2 sensor......$2000 because the mechanic was too lazy to use a Dremel to remove the rusted nuts. Easier to replace half the exhaust apparently...

Oh I know plugs. I am dreading that job when time comes.


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Oh I know plugs. I am dreading that job when time comes......
Don't wait too long. Plugs have been known to weld themselves to the head. The rear ones can be fatal.
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