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Old 06-27-2020, 06:38 PM
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May be this has been asked many times in this forum but need to update my self with latest on tires.

Based on BMW recon. will need all season 205/55-R16 91H BMW FR - rear and front. Closet i could get was Bridgestone Turanza Serenity Plus - Tire Rack EL42

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12 K mileage per year /wet conditions/regular driving.
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Old 06-27-2020, 07:43 PM
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Go to tire rack loose the runflats.
continental DWS is a good all round tire.
Yes there are many tire thread here do a search for tires.

https://www.e90post.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=16

There is a tire forum inside the above link.

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Old 06-27-2020, 11:29 PM
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thanks ctuna, any advantage going in for Conti DWS ?
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Old 06-28-2020, 12:45 AM
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Its a popular midrange tire good for a variety of conditions
with a good ride and long life.
Read the tire rack reviews for anything you are thinking of
they are very good.
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Old 06-28-2020, 11:04 AM
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Michelin A/S 3+ non run flats are the way to go.
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Old 06-28-2020, 12:13 PM
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ok. so now its between Flat run v/s equivalent standard tires. For practical purposes, there is no difference between RunFlats and non-RunFlat tires - except to say that RinFlat tires will hard somewhat harsher.
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Old 06-28-2020, 01:15 PM
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Having driven my BMWs on both DWS and A/S 3+ tires, my preference was for the Michelins. Nothing bad about the DWS, I just preferred the A/S 3+ ride and noise conditions on our local roads.
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Old 06-28-2020, 03:16 PM
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Here's another vote for the Michelin PS A/S 3+'s. I put some DWS06's on Frau Putzer's Honda and they needed a lot more pressure that Michelin's to wear evenly than the two sets of Michelin's previously on the car.

I'd stay away from Michelin "Green" tires, though. Some Michelin MXM4's didn't stand up to Frau Putzer's abuse. During the fourth 8k-mile stint on the front (driven axle), all four tires had big chunks of rubber tearing off the tread blocks.
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Old 06-28-2020, 08:48 PM
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I have the Continental DWS06 on my E90 and the Michelin A/S 3+ on my F36. Both are much better tire than the OEM runflat Continental that came with the car from the factory. My preference is the Michelin but they are more expensive.
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Old 06-28-2020, 09:05 PM
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If you would have bothered to do a proper search on Run Flat Tires
you would see why most of us Hate them.
1)The ride is harsher
2) They last half as long
3 )They are much more expensive
4)They are noisy
5) If you actually run on them while they are
flat they have to be replaced.
6)They are heavier
7)Some tire shops will not repair them.

They are better than they used to be but they fixed a problem that wasn't
there . (except for the paranoid)

There used to be long ranting threads on them here if you do a search.

BMW now offers go flats as an option on some models and believe they
never put them on the M models.

https://www.e90post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=806414

Try googling "run flat tire pot hole explosion"

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Old 06-28-2020, 09:40 PM
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hi,
May be this has been asked many times in this forum but need to update my self with latest on tires.

Based on BMW recon. will need all season 205/55-R16 91H BMW FR - rear and front. Closet i could get was Bridgestone Turanza Serenity Plus - Tire Rack EL42

Useage:
12 K mileage per year /wet conditions/regular driving.
Ditch RFT tiers, find space saver spare tire, put it in trunk.
Go with Continental DWS06 or Michelin Pilot A/S 3+. Both are top tier tires, had them both, my vote goes to Michelin Pilot A/S 3+.
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Old 06-30-2020, 08:02 AM
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Anyone tried the new Michelin Pilot Sport All Season 4? Looks like a new version of the A/S 3+


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Old 06-30-2020, 08:55 AM
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My car had run-flats when I bought it last year.
My plan was to wear them out, and replace them with "regular" tires.
A couple months ago, a pothole took a bite out of my sidewall large enough to put my hand into.

The run-flats allowed me to drive (slowly) the 3-ish miles to the tire shop; a regular tire would have required towing.
The tires were replaced with "regular" tires.

I have a tire repair kit in the trunk, some of that fix-a-flat goop, and a small compressor, no actual spare.
I don't have concerns about lack of a spare tire.
Maybe I'm just a carefree, happy-go-lucky sort of fellow.

The ride comfort is significantly better with regular tires; previously, hitting an expansion joint on the highway felt like I was hitting a curb straight on at 30mph.
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Old 06-30-2020, 04:52 PM
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Michelin A/S 3+ non run flats are the way to go.
I just dumped the runflats on my F23 for the top rated Michelinís I also added a spare from "bimmerzone. as insurance. Couldnít be happier.
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Old 06-30-2020, 05:12 PM
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My car had run-flats when I bought it last year.
My plan was to wear them out, and replace them with "regular" tires.
A couple months ago, a pothole took a bite out of my sidewall large enough to put my hand into.

The run-flats allowed me to drive (slowly) the 3-ish miles to the tire shop; a regular tire would have required towing.
The tires were replaced with "regular" tires.

I have a tire repair kit in the trunk, some of that fix-a-flat goop, and a small compressor, no actual spare.
I don't have concerns about lack of a spare tire.
Maybe I'm just a carefree, happy-go-lucky sort of fellow.

The ride comfort is significantly better with regular tires; previously, hitting an expansion joint on the highway felt like I was hitting a curb straight on at 30mph.

I donít carry spare unless going to ski. Around town, just kit.


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Old 07-01-2020, 05:59 AM
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If you would have bothered to do a proper search on Run Flat Tires
you would see why most of us Hate them.
1)The ride is harsher
2) They last half as long
3 )They are much more expensive
4)They are noisy
5) If you actually run on them while they are
flat they have to be replaced.
6)They are heavier
7)Some tire shops will not repair them.

They are better than they used to be but they fixed a problem that wasn't
there . (except for the paranoid)

There used to be long ranting threads on them here if you do a search.

BMW now offers go flats as an option on some models and believe they
never put them on the M models.

https://www.e90post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=806414

Try googling "run flat tire pot hole explosion"
"bmw now offers go flats" -- I love that. I am going to plagiarize you in the future. Awesome!
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Old 07-01-2020, 12:41 PM
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I too dumped my run flats on 2011 335ix
Just got sick of spending more for tires every time I hit a pothole.

I got them from TireRack as well
But we bought
225/45R-17 GoodYear Eagle SPort All Season
They ride very well, the car still retains it's sport feel and they are great for all year round driving. The harsh ride n noise are also gone too!

Plus we bought the same tires (size n all) for our 2014 Mercedes C300.

The spare specs are below :
04-10 BMW Steel Spare Wheel Rim Tire E60 E83 X3 545i 535i 530i 528i 525i 17x4 OEM

Fits the 3 series E90's perfectly
I also bought a new rubber for the spare as well, as these spares from the E60's, E83 X3's are over 10 years old, so I spent the extra $92.00 for new rubber.

DOWNSIDE is :
you lose lots of trunk space
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Old 07-05-2020, 09:00 AM
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I've gone thru 2 sets (rears) of Conti Run Flats on my 2103 535i in 17,000 miles. Wear pattern was the same - middle of tread indicating overinflation. Recommended inflation is 39. I've spoken to my dealer and emailed BMW and Continental about the problem. They have given me the dumb treatment. By all the posts, this seems to be a common problem. No more Contis for me.
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Old 07-05-2020, 09:38 AM
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I've gone thru 2 sets (rears) of Conti Run Flats on my 2103 535i in 17,000 miles. Wear pattern was the same - middle of tread indicating overinflation. Recommended inflation is 39. I've spoken to my dealer and emailed BMW and Continental about the problem. They have given me the dumb treatment. By all the posts, this seems to be a common problem. No more Contis for me.

Alignment sheet?
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Old 07-05-2020, 09:55 AM
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I've gone thru 2 sets (rears) of Conti Run Flats on my 2103 535i in 17,000 miles. Wear pattern was the same - middle of tread indicating overinflation. Recommended inflation is 39. I've spoken to my dealer and emailed BMW and Continental about the problem. They have given me the dumb treatment. By all the posts, this seems to be a common problem. No more Contis for me.
I prefer Michelin's. But agree with other poster to take a look at alignment. Started getting my cars alignment checks every two years.
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Old 07-05-2020, 11:21 AM
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I've gone thru 2 sets (rears) of Conti Run Flats on my 2103 535i in 17,000 miles. Wear pattern was the same - middle of tread indicating overinflation. Recommended inflation is 39. I've spoken to my dealer and emailed BMW and Continental about the problem. They have given me the dumb treatment. By all the posts, this seems to be a common problem. No more Contis for me.

39 on low profile tire is not overinflated by any means.
Take into consideration that OE Continental are known to wear out super fast. They are made with specific performance in mind to meet various demands like CAFE but at the same time offer performance.
Pirelli for example offered Scorpion + SUV tire as replacement for regular OE Scorpion. + showed much better wet performance and longevity.
Check alignment and get aftermarket tires.


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Old 07-05-2020, 11:30 AM
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I've gone thru 2 sets (rears) of Conti Run Flats on my 2103 535i in 17,000 miles. Wear pattern was the same - middle of tread indicating overinflation. Recommended inflation is 39. I've spoken to my dealer and emailed BMW and Continental about the problem. They have given me the dumb treatment. By all the posts, this seems to be a common problem. No more Contis for me.

I had that problem with some Michelin Pilot Sport's on an E46 M3. The rear 255's were still wearing more in the middle at ~30 PSI, where the front 225's were fine at the decal pressures. I went through three pairs of the rear tires and all of them had the same problem.

I've started dialing in the optimal pressures:

1. I make an initial guess at pressures for each axle, usually two or three PSI over what the door jamb decal says.

2. I maintain those pressures over an entire rotation stint, with the pressures measured and adjusted in the early morning (car completely cold, coolest part of the day, and before sunlight heats any of the tires).

3. When the tires are new and at each rotation, I precisely measure the circumferential channel depths (usually four on a tire) with a high-resolution (0.001" or 0.01mm), digital tread depth gauge. The high-resolution measurements and maintaining the same pressures for an entire rotation stint are necessary to develop a measurable correlation between pressures and wear patterns.

4. I assess the pressures by comparing the average side (inside and outside) channel wear to the average middle channel wear on each axle.

5. Based on the wear, I incrementally adjust the pressures for the next rotation stint, usually by two PSI.

6. Comparing the inside and outside channel wear on each tire, I can assess the alignment. However, severe misalignment of toe can eat up the edges more than wearing the tread around the channels.

Frau Putzer's G01 X3 has all-season non-RFT Bridgestone Dueler's. The door jamb decal pressures are 32 PSI front and 35 PSI rear. After several iterations, I ended up with an extra four PSI on each axle (36 PSI front, 39 PSI rear). That resulted in perfect total wear due to pressure. The front middle channels had 0.18/32" less wear than the front side channels, indicating slight under-inflation over a 7k-mile rotation stint. The rear middle channels had 0.16 more wear than the rear side channels, indicating slight over-inflation. But, comparing the four-tire averages, the side and middle channel wear was within 0.01/32" of each other.

I also had a problem with the outside channels wearing an average of 0.27/32" more than the inside channels over 7k miles. That seems to be a common problem with BMW SUV's. I had the X3 aligned. If the excessive wear continues, I can flip the tires on the rims at their half-life, since the Dueler's are symmetric tires. That trick would get me another 10k miles out of the tires.
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I had that problem with some Michelin Pilot Sport's on an E46 M3. ...
I've started dialing in the optimal pressures:

1. ...
2. ...
3. ...
4. ...
5. ...
6. ...

... 0.18/32" less wear than the front
... 0.16 more wear than the rear side
... within 0.01/32" of each other.
Holy jiminy cricket.
0.18/32" = 0.005626" = 0.142875mm


A "standard" sheet of copy paper is about 0.1mm.
You're talking about the thickness of 1 and a half sheets of paper.
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I had that problem with some Michelin Pilot Sport's on an E46 M3. The rear 255's were....

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....Dueler's are symmetric tires. That trick would get me another 10k miles out of the tires.

Well dang, Herr Putzer! You are nothing if not on the case. On your Christmas list for sure:



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