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Old 10-18-2019, 09:22 PM
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$600 in first 3 months of ownership (330Ci)

- Fuel Pump
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- Coils
- Spark Plugs
- New Tail light
- Coolant Thermostat

I have no life and only spend money on my car, how am I doing guys?
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Old 10-19-2019, 05:36 AM
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Pretty normal for ownership of a neglected E46. There is no such thing as a cheap BMW.
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Old 10-19-2019, 08:40 AM
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Na thats perfectly fine to spend. Wecome to the club of e46 life. SES light for lean codes also
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I have no life and only spend money on my car, how am I doing guys?
I had a spreadsheet for my old ZHP. in two years I spent $6,600 on it. You got a ways to go.
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Old 10-19-2019, 03:32 PM
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- Fuel Pump
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- Coils
- Spark Plugs
- New Tail light
- Coolant Thermostat

I have no life and only spend money on my car, how am I doing guys?
I had a spreadsheet for my old ZHP. in two years I spent $6,600 on it. You got a ways to go.
Woah! Was the car missing it's engine lol
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Woah! Was the car missing it's engine lol
A generally-accepted school of thought is that it usually takes close to the purchase price of the car in repairs to make it reliable and roadworthy, and then around $1500 per year thereafter. Which is why most of the "regulars" on this forum are dedicated DIYers.... otherwise, it`s hard to afford the upkeep.
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Woah! Was the car missing it's engine lol
A generally-accepted school of thought is that it usually takes close to the purchase price of the car in repairs to make it reliable and roadworthy, and then around $1500 per year thereafter. Which is why most of the "regulars" on this forum are dedicated DIYers.... otherwise, it`s hard to afford the upkeep.
No kidding, my local mechanic quoted me 600 alone to do the coils, got new Bosch ones on eBay for 130 and did it myself. Don't even want to imagine how much for the fuel pump lol

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You just got E46? I would do complete refresh of cooling system. Probably around $1500 in parts.


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Old 10-20-2019, 06:51 PM
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No kidding, my local mechanic who specializes in German cars quoted me 600 alone to do the coils, got new Bosch ones on eBay for 130 and did it myself. Don't even want to imagine how much for the fuel pump lol
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You just got E46? I would do complete refresh of cooling system. Probably around $1500 in parts.


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$1500? Really? What do you replace? I must be missing a lot of things the last time I changed out my coolant. I only replaced the expansion tank and the thermostat. Should have done the hoses too but missed that. Otherwise what do you replace to get up to $1500 for dyi?
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Old 10-21-2019, 08:19 AM
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Until the recent work I did on my 2001 325Ci, in the 92K miles leading up to that, I hardly spend anything on the car except for annual OC, tires, brakes and a failed O2 sensor, you know, the normal wear and tear stuffs. Changed the trans fluid at 75K miles. Changed the front control arms at 80K b/c the wife jumped the curb. Besides that my expenses for the car has been pretty limited. When I started having oil spots on the floor and the belts began to screech, I did "a ton" of work on the car, like VCG, plugs, PCV, OFHG, pulleys, thermostat, expansion tank, belts, and tensioner. In all, I think I spent way less than $1000. Pretty good for the 18 years. I know that I will have the struts and shocks coming up but every time this discussion of maintenance cost comes up, someone keeps on putting out there the $1000/year maintenance cost. I just don't get where that money goes.
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Old 10-21-2019, 08:31 AM
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If it makes you feel better, I bought an e46 that was in terrible shape and I've probably spent 3-4000 dollars on it and i haven't even driven it yet. To be fair it's my project car though.
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Old 10-21-2019, 09:58 AM
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In nearly five years of ownership we are at a little over $6,000, but I really don't count the $3,200 transmission because that was factored into the purchase price and known before buying. I figure that more into the purchase as we took the car in two days after we bought it (scheduled). That also includes $1,000+ in tires and a wheel straightening (pot hole) and $1,000 or so in the cooling system (added a couple of parts over and above the normal refresh). Mostly minor things. The only thing that could have been a catastrophe was the recent fan clutch. It had become noisy and was very sloppy. Next Thursday we head out on a 1,000 mile road trip.

I thought I was going to need to put plugs in it (114,000), but one thing I did right after purchase was to go to the local BMW dealer and get copies of all invoices from the original owner (we are third). Plugs were done 48,000 miles ago (at about 65,000 miles). I'll check the fluid levels and then we're off...
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This is posted on the E39 subforum for a M54 I6 N/A 5MT from 100k to 200k miles(the numbers were updated after auditing the invoices), including tires.

7 sets of wiper blade inserts - $100(DIY)
2 air filters - $50(DIY)
3 pairs of microfilters - $200(DIY)
2 coolant changes + 4 brake fluid + oil pan - $900
1 set of plugs + coils(6 pairs) - $700
2 oxygen sensors - $100(DIY)
1 battery - $200
3 sets of tires(UHP A/S) - $2500
2 sets of both axles of brakes with rotors, one set of both axles pads only - $2000
1 pair of control arm bushings - $500
MT trans fluid + diff fluid - $600
1 pair of link bars - $300
3 window regulator repair regulators + motors - $1000
1 set of cooling system overhaul - $2000
VCG + OFHG - $750
power steering hoses(pressurized?) - $500
1 set of belts - $200
PCV valve + Vanos rebuilt - $1000
MT spring(shift knob stuck to right?) - $300

Total is roughly $14k, does this look too low/too high for a E39/E46 I6? That is around $7.5k parts and $6.5k of indy labor.
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Old 10-21-2019, 12:09 PM
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This is posted on the E39 subforum for a M54 I6 N/A 5MT from 100k to 200k miles(the numbers were updated after auditing the invoices), including tires.

7 sets of wiper blade inserts - $100(DIY)
2 air filters - $50(DIY)
3 pairs of microfilters - $200(DIY)
2 coolant changes + 4 brake fluid + oil pan - $900
1 set of plugs + coils(6 pairs) - $700
2 oxygen sensors - $100(DIY)
1 battery - $200
3 sets of tires(UHP A/S) - $2500
2 sets of both axles of brakes with rotors, one set of both axles pads only - $2000
1 pair of control arm bushings - $500
MT trans fluid + diff fluid - $600
1 pair of link bars - $300
3 window regulator repair regulators + motors - $1000
1 set of cooling system overhaul - $2000
VCG + OFHG - $750
power steering hoses(pressurized?) - $500
1 set of belts - $200
PCV valve + Vanos rebuilt - $1000
MT spring(shift knob stuck to right?) - $300

Total is roughly $14k, does this look too low/too high for a E39/E46 I6? That is around $7.5k parts and $6.5k of indy labor.
"3 pairs of microfilters - $200(DIY)"

I assume this is the cabin filter? I hardly change this. No wonder all these times I thought it was my wife who ... But $200 for 3 filters? I remember changing it one time and it didn't cost that much ($65) for a filter, except for losing a bolt down the crevices and to this day still couldn't find it.

"2 coolant changes + 4 brake fluid + oil pan - $900" - the only expensive thing here is the oil pan but does it cost that much to dyi?

"1 battery - $200" - this must be one of the "need to program the battery to the car thingie.

"2 sets of both axles of brakes with rotors, one set of both axles pads only - $2000" - wow, have I been going cheap on brakes all these years when compared to this.

"1 pair of control arm bushings - $500" - ouch. DYI, about $180 for parts and some bandages.

VCG + OFHG - $750
1 set of belts - $200
PCV valve + Vanos rebuilt - $1000

wow, this costed me less than $300 in parts.

Ouch ouch ouch.
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Old 10-21-2019, 04:29 PM
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"3 pairs of microfilters - $200(DIY)"

I assume this is the cabin filter? I hardly change this. No wonder all these times I thought it was my wife who ... But $200 for 3 filters? I remember changing it one time and it didn't cost that much ($65) for a filter, except for losing a bolt down the crevices and to this day still couldn't find it.

"2 coolant changes + 4 brake fluid + oil pan - $900" - the only expensive thing here is the oil pan but does it cost that much to dyi?

"1 battery - $200" - this must be one of the "need to program the battery to the car thingie.

"2 sets of both axles of brakes with rotors, one set of both axles pads only - $2000" - wow, have I been going cheap on brakes all these years when compared to this.

"1 pair of control arm bushings - $500" - ouch. DYI, about $180 for parts and some bandages.

VCG + OFHG - $750
1 set of belts - $200
PCV valve + Vanos rebuilt - $1000

wow, this costed me less than $300 in parts.

Ouch ouch ouch.
His invoice showed around 100 hours of indy labor, for roughly $6.5k. DIY can take 2x as long, for 200 hours? So around $30-$35/labor spent.

Yes he is adamant using BMW parts, e.g. cabin filter is $30 each, so 6 total is around $200. His observation is that the $30/pair aftermarket(e.g. Mann) is around 30-50% less filter material, so it is not as durable as BMW one(2-3 years for a pair).

The BMW brake parts are costly, around $250 pads + rotors, or $80 pads only, per axle, so $1300 parts alone. DIY does say $700 of labor.

And his $500 probably includes the control arms too.
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Omg is that what nornal pple spend on there cars.... i work at a shop but we rebuild cars we are not open to the public. 100 for wiper blades wow. E46 being a perfect DIY car.. then again i guess if u got the money why not.
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This is posted on the E39 subforum for a M54 I6 N/A 5MT from 100k to 200k miles(the numbers were updated after auditing the invoices), including tires.

7 sets of wiper blade inserts - $100(DIY)
2 air filters - $50(DIY)
3 pairs of microfilters - $200(DIY)
2 coolant changes + 4 brake fluid + oil pan - $900
1 set of plugs + coils(6 pairs) - $700
2 oxygen sensors - $100(DIY)
1 battery - $200
3 sets of tires(UHP A/S) - $2500
2 sets of both axles of brakes with rotors, one set of both axles pads only - $2000
1 pair of control arm bushings - $500
MT trans fluid + diff fluid - $600
1 pair of link bars - $300
3 window regulator repair regulators + motors - $1000
1 set of cooling system overhaul - $2000
VCG + OFHG - $750
power steering hoses(pressurized?) - $500
1 set of belts - $200
PCV valve + Vanos rebuilt - $1000
MT spring(shift knob stuck to right?) - $300

Total is roughly $14k, does this look too low/too high for a E39/E46 I6? That is around $7.5k parts and $6.5k of indy labor.
You can DIY all of that and save 10k, I don't know why people bend over at the dealership or local mechanic
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Old 10-21-2019, 06:54 PM
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You can DIY all of that and save 10k, I don't know why people bend over at the dealership or local mechanic
If $2.5k tires are excluded, $14k drops to $11.5k, so it is $6k labor and $5.5k for BMW parts.

One can forego $5.5k BMW parts and go with aftermarket, can parts cost really be shaved down to $1.5k to hit your $10k savings target?

At best the DIY savings is $6k, for 200 hours of DIY labor, that sounds reasonable right? This 2nd owner has not spent a minute reading forum, nor reading Bentley, nor figuring out what went wrong with DIYs.
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Old 10-21-2019, 07:02 PM
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You can DIY all of that and save 10k, I don't know why people bend over at the dealership or local mechanic
If $2.5k tires are excluded, $14k drops to $11.5k, so it is $6k labor and $5.5k for BMW parts.

One can forego $5.5k BMW parts and go with aftermarket, can parts cost really be shaved down to $1.5k to hit your $10k savings target?

At best the DIY savings is $6k, for 200 hours of DIY labor, that sounds reasonable right? This 2nd owner has not spent a minute reading forum, nor reading Bentley, nor figuring out what went wrong with DIYs.
10k was a ballpark figure but yeah still possible if you buy OEM instead of parts straight from BMW and don't have to pay someone to do it for you
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10k was a ballpark figure but yeah still possible if you buy OEM instead of parts straight from BMW and don't have to pay someone to do it for you
Yes just 2 sets of BMW pads + rotors + sensors, front+ rear, are 2 * $700 = $1400, plus one set of BMW pads + sensors, front + rear, is $200. That is $1600 total.

So his $1300 total is already Zimmerman + Akebono, rear + front set is $500 each, 2 sets are $1000, then another $200-$300 for pads only front + rear.

Even with BMW + OEM mixes, his number for parts is over $5k+, which is a typical number for 100k-200k miles on E46/E39 from other festers.

And do remember the 200 hours of your variable personal time after day job to save $6k+ indy labor.
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Omg is that what nornal pple spend on there cars.... i work at a shop but we rebuild cars we are not open to the public. 100 for wiper blades wow. E46 being a perfect DIY car.. then again i guess if u got the money why not.
Genuine BMW wiper blade inserts (for E39) used to be part#61610154441, for $2 a piece. When the E39 was in my possession for first 12 years, the last 9 years got a new pair every year, for $5 total, or $45 total.

However that part was no longer made after 2013, and the 2nd owner had to pay 2x-3x for the same genuine BMW inserts, and 10 sets (20 inserts total) costed roughly $100, for one pair/set per year.

Just note OEM + BMW parts do cost total $5k, and that number has been quoted by a few E39/E46 festers for around 100k to 200k miles, so it is not like it can go lower by much.

How much does your shop charge for labor rate to rebuild cars? Around this locale, $6k for 100 hours of indy labor is pretty darn good.
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So if it costs $10K to go from 100k-200k miles and you drive it 10k miles per year, that gets you about $1000/yr which has been posted probably 100's of times.


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No, no, no! The E39 and E46 never required registering the battery. $200 is likely an AGM battery.

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So if it costs $10K to go from 100k-200k miles and you drive it 10k miles per year, that gets you about $1000/yr which has been posted probably 100's of times.




No, no, no! The E39 and E46 never required registering the battery. $200 is likely an AGM battery.

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$1000/10k miles is pretty typical of E39/E46 costs 100k-200k miles. Maybe DIY labor can cut that to half.

The factory battery lasted 8 years, the AAA mobile replacement lasted 6 years(died a week after prorated warranty expired!), and the 2nd owner put in a $200 Odyssey 49-950 AGM(not sure this can fit E46), which still kicks strong 5 years in.
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