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Old 01-07-2018, 10:28 PM
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N63Tu has the coolant reservoir at the rear left of the vehicle near the firewall. The N63 has the coolant reservoir next to the Power Steering reservoir.

Learned this the hard way as i was so used to putting in coolant on my N63 where the power steering pump is I accidentally added coolant to the Power Steering fluid when i first topped up my N63TU.
Another good clue so using the same pictures, I circled what to look for under the hood. Coolant on the front = N63, coolant in the back = N63TU. Hope this helps.
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Old 01-30-2018, 06:39 AM
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Yeah Rusty34 I really think they may just have a CCP in the future for the early TU engines - I'm no BMW know it all but with the amount of these out there that are coming up on similar miles as I have and if enough start to fail maybe it'll be voluntary by BMW as the original N63 was - or at least a assist in repairs


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Just got a letter in the mail from BMW saying they will now cover "Fuel Injectors" for 10yr or 120K miles for the 2013 N63T (no mention of TU)
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Old 01-30-2018, 06:42 AM
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Good first step, hopefully more to follow.

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Old 01-30-2018, 08:35 AM
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Thanks jdsa engine - like rusty34 said that is a good start - mine have been changed out ,as far as I know, in 2016 - hope they stay strong - thanks again for the info


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Old 01-30-2018, 08:59 AM
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so what finally happened with your engine replacement? Did you get any more help $$ wise from BMW, or did you have to pony up the $30K ?
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Old 01-30-2018, 09:03 AM
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By the way to all in this thread and anyone in the future, I have some really good things in the works on my N63TU- it's now out of the BMW dealership's hands and in the hands of ,in my opinion, the best N63/N63TU/S63TU engine rebuilder in North America - full contact info - specs - & process pics to follow - so far the best customer service I have ever experienced - standby


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Old 01-30-2018, 09:14 AM
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No help at all, as a matter of fact when letting the dealer know that my vehicle was going to be picked up, I was informed that as soon as I pay the diagnostic fee it will be released... I understand that someone's time went into the diagnosis, yet they asked me to pay them $500 - I really feel like in this situation they could have at least absorbed the $500 fee


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Old 02-08-2018, 10:46 AM
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N63T Fuel Injector Replacement Limited Warranty Extension

I hadn't seen this written about anywhere else so I thought I would share:

BMW North America sent me an unsolicited letter granting an extension to the original limited power train warranty to provide for Fuel Injectors replacement up to 10 years / 120,000 miles. The letter was specific to my VIN number and appears to be applicable to all N63T engines, although specific build dates were not provided in the letter.

The letter indicates the "Covered Component Code" as "B-ELWR 2018 N63T Engine Fuel Injectors 10Y120M"

I was pleasantly surprised to read that the extension was applicable retroactively to work performed before the letter arrived. This is not applicable to me, however, I think it shows good faith on BMW's part.
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I hadn't seen this written about anywhere else so I thought I would share:

BMW North America sent me an unsolicited letter granting an extension to the original limited power train warranty to provide for Fuel Injectors replacement up to 10 years / 120,000 miles. The letter was specific to my VIN number and appears to be applicable to all N63T engines, although specific build dates were not provided in the letter.

The letter indicates the "Covered Component Code" as "B-ELWR 2018 N63T Engine Fuel Injectors 10Y120M"

I was pleasantly surprised to read that the extension was applicable retroactively to work performed before the letter arrived. This is not applicable to me, however, I think it shows good faith on BMW's part.
Thanks for posting tAT but could you clarify, guess I'm misunderstanding.

As we know, the N63T engine is the Model Year 2013 and up 650i engines, so why would your engine Not be covered by this Covered Component Code? Thanks
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Old 02-08-2018, 02:35 PM
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Sorry if I wasn't clear. The extended limited warranty does apply to my F13/N63TU 2013 650i (build date 10/2012). What didn't apply was that because I haven't had the fuel injectors replaced yet, I don't need to use the retroactive reimbursement process.

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Old 02-08-2018, 08:25 PM
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tAT, appreciate you bringing this up, but most importantly sharing the newly 650i 6'er BMW Extended published warranty.

A well deserved thanks, NOW going forward at Anytime in the Next 5 years (through 2022) should our 2013, "N63Tu" Injectors fail, BMW will step up and at replace no cost,,,,got to like that for the Tu engines.

Surprise, surprise......these extended BMW 10yr/120, "Covered Component Codes, B-ELWR", are strategically NON-existent on their not really helpful BMWUSA website. How could that be?
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Old 02-09-2018, 08:08 AM
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I just got with Bmw service to see what they can do to my car since they are recalling the injector on my car. They said it is not related to my engine problem. I'm extremely disappointed how Bmw handling the problem on these engine.
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Old 02-09-2018, 10:57 AM
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Not a recall, it's an warranty extension up to 10 years is covered should injectors need to be replaced or fail.
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Go to bmwvin.com enter your VIN and that should answer it all - N63T - but I'm pretty dang sure you have a N63 a non-TU
Two months later, any update?

Interesting situation. Hope the best for you.
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Two months later, any update?



Interesting situation. Hope the best for you.


I won't be back on land for 6 more weeks so I told him they didn't need to get on it right away- he has a lot of other customers that may need their car more quickly than I do- it should be very very soon though - I'll keep you all in the loop as promised!!


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Old 03-13-2018, 04:02 PM
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Just a heads up on how to distinguish a non-TU (N63B44A) from a Tu (N63B44B) is to look for the DME's (ECU) siting right behind the headlights on TU models, very simple
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trust me I've really did my research to see if the TU that has early build dates as mine did and if they have any TSBs "technical service bulletin" maybe there are issues from the early stages of the redesign- in my recently performed acts of gaining all the knowledge as humanly possible on this engine I've come to find PDFs of the technical training manuals that describe the differences in the N63 and the N63TU- in that search I found new documents in PDF from BMW to their technicians the shows there is now 4 N63 engines now made by BMW - the original N63 - the N63TU - the N63TU2 - and now the N63TU3


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The production date on my 13 GC is 7-24-12 and I have the N63T motor according to bmw decoder. I love the car but Im deathly afraid to get on it b/c of all the horror stories I hear with this car. I bought by car in September of 2017 and after driving it for a month, the car started bogging out and the drivetrain malfunction light came on. I thought I was screwed.... thank god it was only a bad coil. As much as I love this car, Im really contemplating going back to Audi. Those cars can take a more aggressive tune (according to my tuner) and theres less stress about something breaking.


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I have a 2013 650 GC built in July 2012 and has been in the shop for 3 weeks diagnosing DTM. First then they replaced injectors + spark plugs as part of extended warranty, but DTM still showed up. Then they proceeded to replace low fuel pressure pump, didn't work. The last update I have is that they replaced the high pressure fuel pump and are still unsuccessful.

Thankfully all these "repairs" have been covered by my extended warranty. It seems from my research for most people the HPFP has fixed DTM, and if not, they received a new engine. Is a new engine seriously the solution to this?!

On one hand, I'm relieved I have the warranty, but also nervous as to what will happen next.
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Old 03-29-2018, 05:47 AM
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From your description it sounds like the service department is guessing without much knowledge and experience of how to diagnose your issue. Changing parts to fix a problem will be expensive for them and good for you by getting all those new parts. If they have a borescope ask them to inspect each cylinder for condition.

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I have a 2013 650 GC built in July 2012 and has been in the shop for 3 weeks diagnosing DTM. First then they replaced injectors + spark plugs as part of extended warranty, but DTM still showed up. Then they proceeded to replace low fuel pressure pump, didn't work. The last update I have is that they replaced the high pressure fuel pump and are still unsuccessful.

Thankfully all these "repairs" have been covered by my extended warranty. It seems from my research for most people the HPFP has fixed DTM, and if not, they received a new engine. Is a new engine seriously the solution to this?!

On one hand, I'm relieved I have the warranty, but also nervous as to what will happen next.
Is your warranty a CPO or a 3rd party service contract? My CPO on my '13 runs out in August of this year, I would rather anything with massive repairs like yours happens in the next 6 mo.
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Is your warranty a CPO or a 3rd party service contract? My CPO on my '13 runs out in August of this year, I would rather anything with massive repairs like yours happens in the next 6 mo.
Third party expires in 24 months.

Responding to the gentleman right below my initial post: I think the warranty company doesn't want the dealer to jump right into the HPFP. They would rather have dealer replace LPFP in hopes the problem will be solved. LPFP is significantly cheaper fix. I'm surprised even the HPFP didn't fix anything. I'm wondering what else they will replace.
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Third party expires in 24 months.

Responding to the gentleman right below my initial post: I think the warranty company doesn't want the dealer to jump right into the HPFP. They would rather have dealer replace LPFP in hopes the problem will be solved. LPFP is significantly cheaper fix. I'm surprised even the HPFP didn't fix anything. I'm wondering what else they will replace.
Can I ask who the warranty company is? I've been looking for months and no company I've researched has any good reviews. At least it seems yours is going to cover something.
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Old 03-30-2018, 09:36 AM
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Another good clue so using the same pictures, I circled what to look for under the hood. Coolant on the front = N63, coolant in the back = N63TU. Hope this helps.
I recently took a look under my hood to add wiper fluid and interestingly, my 2013 F13 (build date 10/12) has the cooling reservoir fill near the firewall (as shown in the picture on the right with the grey engine cover) but my engine has a black engine cover. This indicates to me that the engine cover color is NOT a good indicator of motor type (N63 v. N63TU). Perhaps they had extra black covers lying around the factory engine build shop during the transition to the N63TU motor components?
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I recently took a look under my hood to add wiper fluid and interestingly, my 2013 F13 (build date 10/12) has the cooling reservoir fill near the firewall (as shown in the picture on the right with the grey engine cover) but my engine has a black engine cover. This indicates to me that the engine cover color is NOT a good indicator of motor type (N63 v. N63TU). Perhaps they had extra black covers lying around the factory engine build shop during the transition to the N63TU motor components?
The cover color story bears looking into now I think. I noticed some X5s are different from the 550i. Maybe someone here knows more but in the meantime I will try to check further into that. Thanks for posting!

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