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Old 07-25-2019, 06:52 AM
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Ceratec thoughts?

Thinking of trying ceratec additive on the next oil change. Has anyone here used that in their X1s? If so, what were your results?

I've gathered that the timing chain can be the X1s Achilles's heel so I wondered if it would help with that issue too.
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Old 07-25-2019, 08:18 AM
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Additives are usually snake oil - Regular oil changes with the correct weight BMW Spec oil & filter.
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Old 07-25-2019, 08:48 AM
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I've gathered that the timing chain can be the X1s Achilles's heel so I wondered if it would help with that issue too.
Yes, the N20 is known to suffer premature failure from a weak timing chain guide that snaps and breaks.

That being said, it's still a pretty rare occurrence. You have to remember, for every 1 thread on a forum you see about the issue, there's 1,000 other owners out there who HAVEN'T had the issue. Those owners just don't post on forums. When's the last time you saw someone post "yeah, just posting because my engine's perfectly fine, nothing else to report" ? Yeah, no one does that. So take what you see reported about the N20 timing chain guide with a grain of salt. It's not THAT common of an issue. It's somewhat similar to the M3 rod bearing problem in the S65 engine.

That being said, there is one thing you can do to help avoid the issue, Change your oil more frequently. While it doesn't guarantee that you won't have the issue, it does seem that people with longer drain intervals seem to be more likely to experience it (this could be complete coincidence though).

Finally, if you are one of the unlucky ones to experience timing chain guide failure, reach out to your dealer and BMW NA. It's a known issue which you can easily document and prove. I've heard of BMW NA helping owners out by sharing costs of new engines. Of course, don't be rude or anything, as being friendly and easy going always makes people want to help you more so than if you're a jerk

To answer your question though, no, don't use additives. There is no scientific evidence that additives reduce wear or do anything positive for your engine. At best, they are completely benign and don't do anything. At worst, they are actually detrimental to your engine.
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Old 07-25-2019, 11:23 AM
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Wise words. Very appreciated. I know it's easy for me to get fretting about it all. It's a good point to just step back and think through the chances and also the possibilities of what to do to prevent problems. Even if there are problems it is good to think it through pragmatically.

I was asking garages about it and a couple of them gave the same advice of good frequent oil changes. One other one quoted a replacement cost for the timing chain of $3500 which seems nuts.. Not even a dealer but a local garage.
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Old 01-14-2020, 04:04 PM
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Time to re-read. Bobtheoilguy.com. VERY interesting thread in there on ceratec. I'm now running it. Say what you want, it's smoother, for sure.
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Old 01-14-2020, 04:48 PM
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Time to re-read. Bobtheoilguy.com. VERY interesting thread in there on ceratec. I'm now running it. Say what you want, it's smoother, for sure.
I'm not touching oil additives. Period. JMHO.
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Old 01-14-2020, 08:15 PM
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Time to re-read. Bobtheoilguy.com. VERY interesting thread in there on ceratec. I'm now running it. Say what you want, it's smoother, for sure.
I have never heard of Ceratec but there are additives proven to reduce metal on metal wear. The ones I have read about have a zinc compound in them which reduces wear on the steel. The problem is that 1) they may increase wear on plastic and 2) as tiny amounts of oil get burned as any engine will eventually do, the zinc then accumulates in the catalytic converter and destroys it.

This is just one example but you really have to ask yourself is it worth the unknown risks. The claims of the engine running better initially may in fact be true but the life of the engine might be reduced in the process as well to achieve that.

Best thing possible you can for sure do is more frequent oil changes. The BMW 22,000 km interval that my car at least shows is ridiculous and imo only specified so high to get you past the warranty period with the least free maintenance done by the dealer.
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Old 01-15-2020, 04:59 PM
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SeaFoam is the only additive I've used in older cars, and it's not supposed to be run that long. It made a difference on cars my friends and I owned in the 90s (626, maxima) and you could see all the carbon that was burned off. Cars ran smoother afterwards also - but you only put it in oil for around 200-300 miles and then changed it immediately. Also works as a fuel additive, or in brake booster lines to clean out the engine.
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