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I must admit to knowing very little about BMW and so am confused by the "F" designations referred to within this part of the forums; however, I am looking to replace my 1995 Buick Riviera and am considering BMW. I'm looking for a sedan and so came across the 330i xdrive but would like some feedback on it from current owners or those who know the car well. I do know I definitely want a car that has Apple Car Play, and also want a sedan. I'm not in search of a necessarily "sporty" model car, but rather am looking for a very well-riding car suitable for traveling, and so also should have some decent trunk capacity. Also, preferably not real short like some of the small luxury class cars I'm seeing, but preferably not as long as my Riviera at 207 inches. Looking for good gas mileage as well.

I live in a rural area that gets pretty well hit with adverse driving conditions in winter and so want either FWD or AWD.

Thanks for any suggestions or advice.

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Welcome to our forum. The F30 is the 3 series BMW that came to market in 2012. It has recently been replaced by the G20 for 2019. This means that if you want an F30 you likely will need to buy one used. The xDrive models are of course all wheel drive. They are comfortable and fairly roomy with a wheelbase of about 112". Overall length is about 188 inches. If you want a larger car look at the BMW 5 series. The current model is the G30.

Apple CarPlay is not standard on the F30 so you will have to find one with that option.

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Michael...thanks for your reply and helpful info. Any thoughts on the quality of the ride? Smooth and quiet?

What about Apple Car Play on the 530i x-drive? Pretty sure I read about CarPlay being on some of these models being that I recall reading about having to pay for it annually following the first year. Will further explore this on the 5 series part of the forum.

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Hi,

I must admit to knowing very little about BMW and so am confused by the "F" designations referred to within this part of the forums; however, I am looking to replace my 1995 Buick Riviera and am considering BMW. I'm looking for a sedan and so came across the 330i xdrive but would like some feedback on it from current owners or those who know the car well. I do know I definitely want a car that has Apple Car Play, and also want a sedan. I'm not in search of a necessarily "sporty" model car, but rather am looking for a very well-riding car suitable for traveling, and so also should have some decent trunk capacity. Also, preferably not real short like some of the small luxury class cars I'm seeing, but preferably not as long as my Riviera at 207 inches. Looking for good gas mileage as well.

I live in a rural area that gets pretty well hit with adverse driving conditions in winter and so want either FWD or AWD.

Thanks for any suggestions or advice.
Honestly, the car you have described sounds to me like a Buick Regal GS Sportback.
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Meaning...what...that I should substitute one Buick for another? I appreciate this suggestion, but I don't think I want to move from a Riviera to a Regal. I'll take another look at it though. I plan on test driving the Kia Cadenza, though my mechanic doesn't have much good to say that that car either.
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Meaning...what...that I should substitute one Buick for another? I appreciate this suggestion, but I don't think I want to move from a Riviera to a Regal. I'll take another look at it though. I plan on test driving the Kia Cadenza, though my mechanic doesn't have much good to say that that car either.
Why BMW? Your requirements can be best fit by a Honda or Toyota, whichever model suits you better
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Meaning...what...that I should substitute one Buick for another? I appreciate this suggestion, but I don't think I want to move from a Riviera to a Regal. I'll take another look at it though. I plan on test driving the Kia Cadenza, though my mechanic doesn't have much good to say that that car either.
Meaning, you specifically asked for advice based on your parameters.

Ok, then Accord Touring? Mazda 6? Your OP doesn't scream 3-Series at all. It kind of indicates you wouldn't be happy with a 3-Series. The Regal would have really good trunk room, which was one of your parameters.

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Michael...thanks for your reply and helpful info. Any thoughts on the quality of the ride? Smooth and quiet?

What about Apple Car Play on the 530i x-drive? Pretty sure I read about CarPlay being on some of these models being that I recall reading about having to pay for it annually following the first year. Will further explore this on the 5 series part of the forum.
I agree with the other posters. German sedans do not ride like American sedans, especially those from 20+ years ago. The ride will be firmer but comfortable and the steering will communicate more of the road. I suggest you go to a BMW dealer and test drive an F30. I'm sure they will have used xDrive cars in stock if you live in an area where you get snow in the winter.

As far as Apple CarPlay, newer models do require a subscription after the first year.
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Why BMW? Your requirements can be best fit by a Honda or Toyota, whichever model suits you better
Because I want to stay in the luxury class. Having driven the same car since 1995, and soon turning 64, I think I can safely say I deserve to treat myself. Who knows..it may be that I won't even care for the ride of BMW and so, if has been suggested here that I'm perhaps NOT suited to it, I can accept that, but then will still stay in the luxury class with something else.

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I agree with the other posters. German sedans do not ride like American sedans, especially those from 20+ years ago. The ride will be firmer but comfortable and the steering will communicate more of the road. I suggest you go to a BMW dealer and test drive an F30. I'm sure they will have used xDrive cars in stock if you live in an area where you get snow in the winter.

As far as Apple CarPlay, newer models do require a subscription after the first year.
Interesting about needing a subscription for CarPlay. Is that consistent with other manufacturers? Will have to research that one.....
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Honestly, the car you have described sounds to me like a Buick Regal GS Sportback.
Not interested in any sort of hatchback.....but thanks for the suggestion.

Tex..thanks for your thoughts, but I'm confused as to why the parameters I suggested could not be met by BMW.....reviewing what I wrote... "I do know I definitely want a car that has Apple Car Play, and also want a sedan. I'm not in search of a necessarily "sporty" model car, but rather am looking for a very well-riding car suitable for traveling, and so also should have some decent trunk capacity." Also, preferably not real short like some of the small luxury class cars I'm seeing, but preferably not as long as my Riviera at 207 inches. Looking for good gas mileage as well.

So does BMW not make a sedan that 1) rides comfortably 2) good for traveling 3) good trunk space 4) a bit longer than the smallest in the luxury class 5) has good mpg ?

I think the quality of the ride may well be the determining factor...will be interesting to find out. Also, would like to stay with something that just seems a bit 'special', which the 95 Riv surely was.

Michael...with regards to CarPlay....does the $80 yearly fee also apply to an earlier (pre-2019) model?

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I've been thinking new, although my local auto repair owner / adviser has been telling me over the past few years that it's probably better to get one that has some mileage on it and even a few years old primarily due to getting a better overall price.
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I've been thinking new, although my local auto repair owner / adviser has been telling me over the past few years that it's probably better to get one that has some mileage on it and even a few years old primarily due to getting a better overall price.
Do you have a specific price range you'd like to stay in? A new G20 3er will be upwards of $45,000 and could easily move into the 50s.

One of the benefits of a late model F30 is that the bugs are pretty much worked out. In addition you might find that you could afford the higher level 340i with the more powerful inline six cylinder motor.
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Do you have a budget? It seems to me that the 5 series is more suited to your needs than a 3 series. A lightly used 535xi will be a terrific German luxury sedan. The current Mercedes E Class is also a fine choice.
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No actual budget. I paid $31k back in '95 though for the Riviera. Kind of would like to stay below $60k though I'd think. 535? Just looked...I don't see any models between 530 and 540. Why does BMW make their line-up so confusing? Tons of different models and designations the way it seems. OK...I see it...discontinued in 2016. Have to check it out further.

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No actual budget. I paid $31k back in '95 though for the Riviera. Kind of would like to stay below $60k though I'd think. 535? Just looked...I don't see any models between 530 and 540. Why does BMW make their line-up so confusing? Tons of different models and designations the way it seems. OK...I see it...discontinued in 2016. Have to check it out further.


OK, so 5 series is better option fir you. BMWs are comfortable, and F and G series, at horror of BMW enthusiasts, are more on comfortable side. However, they are still hoot to drive and very, very quick.
If you go used 5 series you can go 4cyl (528i) or 535i. 6cyl engines are arguably best in automotive world, period.
However, you might want to have indy mechanic that knows European vehicles. They require bit more attention. If they are neglected, repairs can be pricey.
If that is something you dont want to do, Lexus GS might be better option.


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OK, so 5 series is better option fir you. BMWs are comfortable, and F and G series, at horror of BMW enthusiasts, are more on comfortable side. However, they are still hoot to drive and very, very quick.
If you go used 5 series you can go 4cyl (528i) or 535i. 6cyl engines are arguably best in automotive world, period.
However, you might want to have indy mechanic that knows European vehicles. They require bit more attention. If they are neglected, repairs can be pricey.
If that is something you dont want to do, Lexus GS might be better option.


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Interesting info and very helpful. I'm also struck by what you said about possibly needing extra attention and/or repairs. On a different car forum I've been frequenting, there has been some criticism that BMW can take more in the way of maintenance and repair than some other models. Could you elaborate on this a bit?
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No actual budget. I paid $31k back in '95 though for the Riviera. Kind of would like to stay below $60k though I'd think. 535? Just looked...I don't see any models between 530 and 540. Why does BMW make their line-up so confusing? Tons of different models and designations the way it seems. OK...I see it...discontinued in 2016. Have to check it out further.
Nothing at all confusing about BMW model designations. The first number is the class. 2 for small, 3 for medium, 5 for large, 7 for really large. The following 2 numbers indicate engine. 20 for the less powerful turbo 4, 30 for the more powerful turbo 4, 40 for the turbo 6, 50 for the turbo 8, 60 for the V12. The letter at the end indicates fuel: i for gasoline, d for diesel, e for electric (actually hybrid). So much easier than trying to remember if a Regal is bigger than a Riviera.

I don't think you will find a BMW that suits you, at least at your price point. All automotive designs are compromises. A BMW's DNA puts the emphasis on "sporty" which you clearly said is not a priority for you.

If you were my brother in law or co-worker, I'd be recommending you look at Lexus, Genesis and Cadillac. The Genesis has the best warranty of that group.
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Nothing at all confusing about BMW model designations. The first number is the class. 2 for small, 3 for medium, 5 for large, 7 for really large. The following 2 numbers indicate engine. 20 for the less powerful turbo 4, 30 for the more powerful turbo 4, 40 for the turbo 6, 50 for the turbo 8, 60 for the V12. The letter at the end indicates fuel: i for gasoline, d for diesel, e for electric (actually hybrid). So much easier than trying to remember if a Regal is bigger than a Riviera.

I don't think you will find a BMW that suits you, at least at your price point. All automotive designs are compromises. A BMW's DNA puts the emphasis on "sporty" which you clearly said is not a priority for you.

If you were my brother in law or co-worker, I'd be recommending you look at Lexus, Genesis and Cadillac. The Genesis has the best warranty of that group.
While sportiness is not a priority, neither is it something I couldn't tolerate, unless it results in a ride that I don't find to my liking. Have to drive them...simple as that. Thanks for the suggestions! Will check out Genesis. Not big on how either the Lexus or Cadillacs look at least from exterior perspective. The Caddys just look like something my Dad or grandfather would have been driving.

Do the 2019 series 3 and 5 models have CD players???

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Do the 2019 series 3 and 5 models have CD players???
2019 G30 5 series has CD player(option 650).

2019 G20 3 series has CD player prep(option 65A), which probably means it is pre-wired only.
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Because I want to stay in the luxury class. Having driven the same car since 1995, and soon turning 64, I think I can safely say I deserve to treat myself. Who knows..it may be that I won't even care for the ride of BMW and so, if has been suggested here that I'm perhaps NOT suited to it, I can accept that, but then will still stay in the luxury class with something else.
Calling 3 series a luxury car is a stretch. But that is subjective. Since you kept the Buick for almost 25 years i assume you're looking to buy and hold long term. Therefore you want something reliable with low maintenance. I suggest a Lexus.
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Thanks but I don't like the looks of the long Lexus front grille...would bother me every time I see it. Otherwise I'd gladly test drive one.

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Not interested in any sort of hatchback.....but thanks for the suggestion.

Tex..thanks for your thoughts, but I'm confused as to why the parameters I suggested could not be met by BMW.....reviewing what I wrote... "I do know I definitely want a car that has Apple Car Play, and also want a sedan. I'm not in search of a necessarily "sporty" model car, but rather am looking for a very well-riding car suitable for traveling, and so also should have some decent trunk capacity." Also, preferably not real short like some of the small luxury class cars I'm seeing, but preferably not as long as my Riviera at 207 inches. Looking for good gas mileage as well.

So does BMW not make a sedan that 1) rides comfortably 2) good for traveling 3) good trunk space 4) a bit longer than the smallest in the luxury class 5) has good mpg ?

I think the quality of the ride may well be the determining factor...will be interesting to find out. Also, would like to stay with something that just seems a bit 'special', which the 95 Riv surely was.

Michael...with regards to CarPlay....does the $80 yearly fee also apply to an earlier (pre-2019) model?
You will do yourself a world of good by test driving one. My 328 is 183 inches long; to me, that's significantly smaller than your 207" Riv. Yes, it's longer than an A3 or CLA, but comparing to the smallest in class is not where I think you want to be.

You've driven a cushy boat for 20+ years. Take a day going around town and driving some of your possible replacement cars; narrow down what you like, and eliminate what you don't like. I think you will quickly find that a 3-Series feels way different than your Riv--you may like it; you may not.

In the luxury makes, if I were you, here's some additional cars I'd consider:
Genesis G70
Lexus GS
Infiniti Q50
Upcoming Caddy CT5
MB E Class (or C Class if you think the size is right)
Volvo S60

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Interesting info and very helpful. I'm also struck by what you said about possibly needing extra attention and/or repairs. On a different car forum I've been frequenting, there has been some criticism that BMW can take more in the way of maintenance and repair than some other models. Could you elaborate on this a bit?


BMWs are at cutting edge technologically and they try a lot of new things, which more often than not prove good, but sometimes also prove as failure.
If you go with older 6cyl, N55, expect water pump issues every 60-70k since it is electric water pump. Oil filter housing gasket, valve cover gasket and sometimes oil pan gasket. These engines run hot, and that takes toll on stuff.
My advice is that you look for Lexus GS350 AWD. 2GR-FKS engine is extremely stout. It is not hoot like BMW, but it will give you less reliability issues.
Another option if you want European vehicle is Audi A6 3.0T. That engine proved really stout after they resolved some issues in 2012 with PCV and water pump. Difference between Audi and BMW is that Audi will have bit higher quality interior, but BMW is much more neutral in driving on the edge as it is RWD platform and has much better weight distribution. Audis are nose heavy and on the edge tend to understeer. However, they do have better AWD, probably best.
Lexus is kind of vanilla. It is fast, but nothing else. Headache wise, Lexus is best option. The question is: how willing you are to commit yourself to learn about European vehicles? If you are, than go try BMW and Audi. If you want fast car to turn on, and turn off and forget about it, get GS350 AWD.


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