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Old 09-01-2019, 10:01 AM
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Passenger door does not open

I went through 30 pages on this forum trying to find a fix for my 2008 X5 where passenger door does not open either from inside or outside using the door handle.

It all started a few months back, when I unlocked the car using either key fob or door lock/unlock button on the dash, only the passenger door would not open from the outside. If I got into the car and pulled the interior door handle the car door would open. Clearly I had an issue but I didn't do anything about it as I drive the car to work and back without passengers. After a few months using the interior door handle method, this has also now failed.

Now I cannot open the passenger door from either inside or outside using any type of unlocking combination, key fob, interior locks, interior door handle, exterior door handle.

Took it to BM dealer a couple of weeks back and they want $800 to open it! already paid them $200 for diagnostics. Dealer is stating they will have to remove the passenger seat out of the car in order to get to "where they need to get to" in order to unlock the door. Once the door is open, whatever mechanism is failing will be an extra charge on top!

So looking for some help here, as mentioned I did check the forum for known issue but the closest I got was this link https://www.bimmerfest.com/forums/sh....php?t=1304133 ref: possible fuses for DRIVERS door.

Any help much appreciated. Original owner, no damage to the doors.

Apologies in advance as I mentioned I did try and search for previous hits for this issue.
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Old 09-01-2019, 10:32 AM
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Take the door card off and see what you can see.

If you get in the car and push the lock button, you should be able to double pull and open the door.
If you lock the car using the keyfob, double pull will not open the door. You pull on th eghandle and the thingy comes up and when you let go of the handle the thingy goes down.
Not sure about locking using the exterior door lock, but I think that will be the same as using the keyfob.

That means there is some mechanical interlock that prevents double pull from working when you use the keyfob. If you cannot open the door, it is possible that the interlock isn't working on that door. Now, I don't know what module has that interclock.

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Old 09-01-2019, 10:59 AM
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Cant take the door card off as the door is locked and closed.
When I am in the car pressing the unlock button has not effect on the passenger door , even pulling the interior door handle does not open the door.
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Old 09-01-2019, 12:01 PM
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can you pull the little button on the door up?

You paid $200 for them to basically quote the job? Not do an actual diagnostic?!?! Its amazing what people let dealers get away with...
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Old 09-01-2019, 12:02 PM
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Cant take the door card off as the door is locked and closed.
Didn't really consider that

You can pretty easily get the trim off from around the door handle without removing anything else. That may be enough to do something to get the door unlocked. Grab ahold of a cable, notice some broken part, etc.

https://www.newtis.info/tisv2/a/en/e...n-rear/G1Nv0OR

It looks like you might be able to get the door card off, especially if you take out the rear seat bottom to get more access. Having looked at the procedure, you may be able to get the entire door card off without opening the door. It will be harder for sure, but it looks doable. Of course, some of the clips will need to be replaced in the process, but that's to be expected.
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Old 09-01-2019, 12:03 PM
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also, there are two differnt things:

Unlocking

and

unlatching.

you should be more specific.
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Old 09-01-2019, 02:00 PM
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The $200 got me this;

@ard BM attempted to remove the door card but could not because the the from passenger seat has to be removed, that will cost another [email protected] Then they MAY be able to open the door but that could take another hour or so taking it to $800. They did the diagnostics and some credit to them, as they did remove screws from the Botton of the card and top panel where the latch is located, but could not go any further without more financial commitment.

I can pull the little button on top its difficult as there is tension, soon as I let go it drops back down.

@twh I can't do "Unclip door trim panel (1) from clips (2)" from your link as the side part of the door is not accessible. What did you mean by this "if you take out the rear seat bottom to get more access." ?

@ard I cannot unlock nor unlatch the door, meaning I am unable to have the door lock "unlock" and if I grab the latch I can pull it up as I mentioned above but it falls back down again, quite bit of tension there.
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Old 09-01-2019, 02:48 PM
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Have a look at the link I provided. The first four pictures are the trim around the door pull itself. Nothing prevents you from getting that out and having a look at what you can see. That would have to come out anyway and you might get lucky.

"seat bottom" means the bench seat bottom of the rear seat.
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Old 09-01-2019, 05:39 PM
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I assume you mean BMW by the repeated use of 'BM'...

a BMW dealer SHOULD NOT need to take a car into the shop to give you this $800++ estimate: 'cannot unlock, cannot unlatch- what is next step?' A factory trained master technician shouldnt need to open the car and poke around at the door card.

JMHO

So you cannot unlock the door. DOesnt even get to trying to unlatch- as the lock is stuck. Seems like what you are saying.... I'll poke around


Oh, @twh...seems OPs issue is the FRONT door, not rear.

Correct?
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http://www.bimmerzone.com/category/T...ricks_OEM.html

https://www.turnermotorsport.com/t-OEvsOEM

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Old 09-01-2019, 05:46 PM
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Here is the front:

https://www.newtis.info/tisv2/a/en/e...-front/OTUATEV

Note that you should be able to SLIGHTLY loosen the trim panel AND pry it away from the door to MAYBE get at the bowden cable, grab and pull. Front seat ALL the way down..ALL the way back


Finally, there was a fantastic post on the E53 where the guy basically is a safe-cracker, (Like used to work in the safe factory so knew where to drill, what size rod to slide down, how far, 47.5 degrees of twist/..boom, the door opens. My point is that someone that has done this 2,3,4 times will have it down pat. IMO this dealer is charging 'expert' prices and has never done this. Or the jr. tech you got never did it. again, an opinion


OP...are you going to do this yourself?????????? People will be looking up and posting DIY stuff, but if in the end it will go to a shop, you should let us know.


Edit: do you know about www.newtis.info? Online service manual..

https://www.newtis.info/tisv2/a/en/e...tions/InrJTP4G

Look at the image on the above page..I think you want to get a finger/screwdriver/coathanger/needlenose onto part #3. I think





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http://www.bimmerzone.com/category/T...ricks_OEM.html

https://www.turnermotorsport.com/t-OEvsOEM

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Old 09-01-2019, 06:08 PM
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Pst #8 by verylarry:
https://xoutpost.com/bmw-sav-forums/...-actuator.html
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http://www.bimmerzone.com/category/T...ricks_OEM.html

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Old 09-01-2019, 07:06 PM
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I went through 30 pages on this forum trying to find a fix for my 2008 X5 where passenger door does not open either from inside or outside using the door handle.



It all started a few months back, when I unlocked the car using either key fob or door lock/unlock button on the dash, only the passenger door would not open from the outside. If I got into the car and pulled the interior door handle the car door would open. Clearly I had an issue but I didn't do anything about it as I drive the car to work and back without passengers. After a few months using the interior door handle method, this has also now failed.



Now I cannot open the passenger door from either inside or outside using any type of unlocking combination, key fob, interior locks, interior door handle, exterior door handle.



Took it to BM dealer a couple of weeks back and they want $800 to open it! already paid them $200 for diagnostics. Dealer is stating they will have to remove the passenger seat out of the car in order to get to "where they need to get to" in order to unlock the door. Once the door is open, whatever mechanism is failing will be an extra charge on top!



So looking for some help here, as mentioned I did check the forum for known issue but the closest I got was this link https://www.bimmerfest.com/forums/sh....php?t=1304133 ref: possible fuses for DRIVERS door.



Any help much appreciated. Original owner, no damage to the doors.



Apologies in advance as I mentioned I did try and search for previous hits for this issue.


I had same issue. Wasn’t able to open by myself, had to take to dealer


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Old 09-01-2019, 08:20 PM
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I had same issue. Wasn't able to open by myself, had to take to dealer
How much $$ at dealer? Hours?

How aggressively did you go after it before bailing???
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Old 09-01-2019, 08:21 PM
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Hmmm...not sure why I thought it was the rear door

Do as ard says and remove the door pull trim and see what you can see. It isn't a big deal to get that out and you might be able to see something to manipulate or something broken.
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Old 09-01-2019, 08:25 PM
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I didn't look at the front door, but I know the seat back will go essentially flat back and the seat moves back pretty far. There are a couple screws at the bottom of the door that need to come out to get the door card off. If you have a ratcheting right angle screwdriver that might be all you need to get in there without removing the seat.
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How much $$ at dealer? Hours?

How aggressively did you go after it before bailing???


I posted here but cant find thread. Think I paid $700 - definitely maybe.


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wish I had seen this earlier, pretty sure if you rolled down the window and pulled both levers( the inside and outside) at the same time the door should have opened and operated normally.


???Wonder if this works?
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found it:

https://www.bimmerfest.com/forums/sh...ght=door+stuck
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Good find. Someone there suggested pulling both handles at the same time would allow the door to open... OP - Give that a try?


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I went through 30 pages on this forum trying to find a fix for my 2008 X5 where passenger door does not open either from inside or outside using the door handle.

It all started a few months back, when I unlocked the car using either key fob or door lock/unlock button on the dash, only the passenger door would not open from the outside. If I got into the car and pulled the interior door handle the car door would open. Clearly I had an issue but I didn't do anything about it as I drive the car to work and back without passengers. After a few months using the interior door handle method, this has also now failed.

Now I cannot open the passenger door from either inside or outside using any type of unlocking combination, key fob, interior locks, interior door handle, exterior door handle.

Took it to BM dealer a couple of weeks back and they want $800 to open it! already paid them $200 for diagnostics. Dealer is stating they will have to remove the passenger seat out of the car in order to get to "where they need to get to" in order to unlock the door. Once the door is open, whatever mechanism is failing will be an extra charge on top!

So looking for some help here, as mentioned I did check the forum for known issue but the closest I got was this link https://www.bimmerfest.com/forums/sh....php?t=1304133 ref: possible fuses for DRIVERS door.

Any help much appreciated. Original owner, no damage to the doors.

Apologies in advance as I mentioned I did try and search for previous hits for this issue.
If your problem is in the lock mechanism, even electrical I think a Slim Jim should open the door.
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This may or not be relevant, but I had the same problem with my ex 2003 BMW 540i - the drivers door would not open, not with the fob, not with the door key, not with the inside or outside handles, etc. I was able to bang on the door inside and out and got it to open. I replaced the “motorized” lock assembly, but it did not cure it. What did make it go away was removing the drivers door switch assembly (I had replaced it during the troubleshooting process with a junkyard assembly - no significant difference). I then took the original switch assembly- dismantled it, cleaned the dust and dirt from the circuit card, cleaned all the electrical contacts with alcohol, and lubricated the same with electrical contact cleaner, and reassembled the switch. You remove the switch assembly by pushing forward at the rear of the switch assembly and lifting up - it hooks at the front and is spring loaded to push it towards the rear. All of the electrical control for the door switches runs through the master switch on the drivers door then to the switch on the door that isn’t working. It could also be the electrical switch on the door that isn’t working. If no control voltage to any door then absolutely nothing will get that door to open - there are no mechanical bypass methods!! The door lock assembly is a slot car motor driving a screw gear that releases or closes the lock. Try banging on the door next to the switch assembly to see if it will unlock, passengers door first, then drivers door. If it does then do that door switch first. Once cleaned, lubricated the problem never reoccurred.
My main problem was with the drivers door lock, but I then also noticed intermittent passenger door failure once and also loss of control of the drivers and passenger door rear view mirrors, again briefly and low rate intermittent.
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Old 09-03-2019, 10:56 PM
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Can't open door

I had the same problem on 2007 328i. Rear left passenger door would not open. Door locking mechanism failed. Went to indie garage. BMW was too expensive. Required removing the rear seat. Then removal of door inner panel. Very difficult then manual actuation of door lock mechanism. Purchased aftermarket replacement door lock mechanism from oembimmer, don't remember price but was about half of BMW price This is a major job, Took indie mechanic about three to four hours. Try to find a good indie mechanic or some body shops can also handle this. Go online to look for replacement door lock mechanism. I have also had to replace all four door window regulators, but these you can do yourself.
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Worked for me!
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Old 09-04-2019, 06:54 AM
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Fourth Gen (1990-1993) Honda Accord sedans had a similar problem and unfortunate solutions as well. My '91 EX never had the issue, but at least 3 relatives had LX sedans that had the front passenger door seize operations. I recall a similar "pay for getting the door open" and a separate "pay to repair the problem." Otherwise, time and money spent opening door would be wasted because it would be stuck closed again if closed without repairing. Just thought this might be of some interest, or have value as a comparison. Established of luck to the OP.
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Those pics of an E53 worked on your E70????
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