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Old 05-11-2018, 11:27 AM
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Why don't drivers use turn signals any more?

It is so frustrating to wait to turn into a street for a car on that street to go by and after some time, the damn car turns without a turn signal. Happens all the time. Same thing on lane changes. The opposite is even worse: a driver who has a turn signal on but isn't turning!

Instead of giving out speeding tickets, cops would do more to prevent accidents if they enforced the turn signal laws.

The BMW lane keep assistant isn't good enough to fully trust but it is a good way to remind the driver to use the turn signal. I have always been pretty good about it but the lane keep assistant is making me even more assiduous in my use of the turn signals.
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Old 05-11-2018, 11:33 AM
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This is a huge pet peeve of mine. Even on freeways we see total brain dead idiots changing lanes without any warning as if they own the road and have every right to drive as they wish.

There should be a 10-day mandatory license suspension for this.

Some people have no respect for the borders. Others have no respect for simple driving rules.

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Old 05-11-2018, 12:01 PM
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Same here in the UK. I don't necessarily think that many more people are choosing not to do it, just that there are so many more drivers around. Although, people have got more selfish. Over here, double-parking is a real issue - that's people parking next to a line of parked cars, even when there's a parking space a couple of car lengths away. The worst case I ever saw was a lorry double-parked next to a car. Only thing was - it was the only car in the road - nothing more in sight for 1/4 mile in either direction!
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unfortunately even the cops don't use turn signals here in the Bay Area
You should send dash-cam footage of that to their employers
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Old 05-11-2018, 12:55 PM
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+ max. Very frustrating.

Here in DC land all the frustrated ex-student council types (AKA self centered) view it as a signal to tighten up and not let someone get ahead of them; only time they use themselves is after zipping up an ending lane and cutting into backed up traffic at the last second (their time is much more valuable than everyone else’s). Whew - sorry, end of rant, if you are still here thanks for listening, I feel better already!

I’m surprised by our UK friend; I always found the most polite and competent drivers there. Particularly on those delightful narrow country lanes where driving on the “wrong” side is already challenging. I hope this is not a yank influence because if that and the fascinating phraseology & accent goes missing the world will be at a significant loss.



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I’m surprised by our UK friend; I always found the most polite and competent drivers there. Particularly on those delightful narrow country lanes where driving on the “wrong” side is already challenging. I hope this is not a yank influence because if that and the fascinating phraseology & accent goes missing the world will be at a significant loss.



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Not any more - most people are rude little sh**s
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Not any more - most people are rude little sh**s


I just calculated, surprised myself that it has been two decades since I was going there (time flys as you get older). So sorry to hear my fond memories are only memories.


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Instead of giving out speeding tickets, cops would do more to prevent accidents if they enforced the turn signal laws.
Do you know what are "the turn signal laws," even in your own state? The clear legislative intent of ARS 28-754 is to require a hand or light signal only in the event that other traffic may be affected by the turning.

In my state a turning signal is accomplished by timely lane position in addition to a hand or light signal within 100 yards of the turn.

(My most recent ticket was in 1977 in Lake City, SC, for speeding in my Porsche.)
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Hold on a second, I thought only bmw drivers don't use the turn signals. I had to take a course (drive like an asshole 101) before the dealer gave me the keys.

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Hold on a second, I thought only bmw drivers don't use the turn signals. I had take a course (drive like an asshole 101) before the dealer gave me the keys.
At least you had to take a course for that. Prius drivers are just born that way.
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At least you had to take a course for that. Prius drivers are just born that way.
Subaru drivers are worst, especially the WRX and STi drivers.
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I just tell myself that if I were driving a car like that I, too, would be in a hurry to get out of it.


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Good discussion. Also a pet hate of mine in the south of the uk. Best plan is always signal yourself and demonstrate benefit to those that don't, then they catch on......Sometimes
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When I got my first BMW, back in 1998, I was told that all BMW drivers were rude and never let people out at junctions. I've never been guilty of that and it wasn't one of my failings but since then I have always made a point of being polite in situations like that - just so people didn't believe in that fallacy. I've no idea if that's how the general population feels or if what I'm doing helps any but I do get some genuine looks of surprise when I do let people out, so who knows!
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When I got my first BMW, back in 1998, I was told that all BMW drivers were rude and never let people out at junctions. I've never been guilty of that and it wasn't one of my failings but since then I have always made a point of being polite in situations like that - just so people didn't believe in that fallacy. I've no idea if that's how the general population feels or if what I'm doing helps any but I do get some genuine looks of surprise when I do let people out, so who knows!
I do not go out of my way to defend my spot on the road. Though, it sometimes feels like others give me right of way when driving BMW.
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Apart from the little runarounds, a very significant number of police cars in the UK are now BMWs. So when you are tearing down the motorway in your Alpine White G30, it's really quite amusing watching people in front of you automatically get out of the way!

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I'm good about using them in NJ for the most part BUT learned at an early age if you drive in NYC it's best not to as you will "tip off" highly aggressive drivers when you want to change lanes in heavy traffic and you just can't move around
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When I got my first BMW, back in 1998, I was told that all BMW drivers were rude and never let people out at junctions. I've never been guilty of that and it wasn't one of my failings but since then I have always made a point of being polite in situations like that - just so people didn't believe in that fallacy. I've no idea if that's how the general population feels or if what I'm doing helps any but I do get some genuine looks of surprise when I do let people out, so who knows!
When I was taught to drive, albeit a long time ago, I was taught that when someone let you in front of them, wave your hand back and forth so they can see you thanking them. I always do that but very few do it any more. It is simple courtesy and usually makes the person who lets you in feel good.
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When I was taught to drive, albeit a long time ago, I was taught that when someone let you in front of them, wave your hand back and forth so they can see you thanking them. I always do that but very few do it any more. It is simple courtesy and usually makes the person who lets you in feel good.
Agree with you but in NYC driving all bets are off! It's survival of the most aggressive drivers with the quickest car and good reflexes
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When I was taught to drive, albeit a long time ago, I was taught that when someone let you in front of them, wave your hand back and forth so they can see you thanking them. I always do that but very few do it any more. It is simple courtesy and usually makes the person who lets you in feel good.
I give the 'wave' just about 100% when people are generous and let me in. In the south I find many drivers are very courteous. There are drivers who do NOT wave thanks though. I usually respond negatively to that - not sure if they're saying thanks buddy (and obviously you can't hear them), or just being rude..

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One of the things that drives me nuts. The other one is the drivers who make a left turn from the right or center lane. Oh and the ones who decide to pass on a 2 lane road with a blind curve coming up. People are always in such a hurry and why? so you can arrive at your destination 30 seconds earlier? It's pretty crazy.

Maybe I'm just old, but I like to be polite to other drivers.
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Ironic how drivers vary so much state to state.
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Hold on a second, I thought only bmw drivers don't use the turn signals. I had to take a course (drive like an asshole 101) before the dealer gave me the keys.

Hahahahaha. Exactly what I was thinking, us BMW drivers have been on the leading edge of this trend for 40 years!!!
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