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Old 08-03-2019, 09:27 AM
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Doors shudder when closing

Just got a 2019 M550i. Car is great, however I noticed when closing the doors they kind of don't feel like a solid thud when they close. The door or car body shudders or rattles a bit when the doors close. I tried with all four doors and got this feeling.

Do others feel their G30 door don't close with authority and have some level of cheapness to how they sound when they close? Maybe something in specific is wrong with my car, might compare to others at dealer to see.
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Old 08-03-2019, 11:39 AM
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Just checking...but do you have soft-close door option but your shutting the doors as if you don't?
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certain I don't have soft-close doors. Do others feel the doors close really solidly or do they kind of have a little shudder upon closing?
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Old 08-03-2019, 12:11 PM
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My G30 is an early production 2017 540xDrive that I've owned since new and now has 20,000+ miles - - No unusual conditions like you describe when I close any of the doors.
No slamming is necessary either. They just close.
Body structure feels solid even over rough roads with 19" RFT's inflated at 4 PSI above recommended inflation pressures.
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Windows down or windows up? If down, you could be hearing the glass rattle.
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50,000 miles on mine and never experienced this. The only thing that makes sense is what QSilver7 suggested: that you have the soft close door option and don't realize it. Try closing the door sloowly and see if it finished the job on its own.
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Mine only ever rattle if I close them with the windows open.
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Old 08-03-2019, 11:51 PM
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I've notice this with our current BMW's. Both have aluminum doors, and they are two pieces (window frame on top, door body on the bottom) welded together. There's a gap between the door and the body, filled in my the flexible weather stripping. The doors only attached to the body in three places: two hinges and the door latch. So, there's going to be some flexing. It's part of keeping the curb weight below 4500 pounds despite all the gadgets on these cars, I guess.
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Agree with the comment re open windows. The glass will move around a bit if the door is slammed with the windows down. Other than that there's no issue with rattles or shudders of any kind in my 540ix.
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Just got a 2019 M550i. Car is great, however I noticed when closing the doors they kind of don't feel like a solid thud when they close. The door or car body shudders or rattles a bit when the doors close. I tried with all four doors and got this feeling.
I'll +1 that, with a caveat.

We picked up our 2019 M550 at the Welt on July 8th. I only got to drive the car a few times during the two days we had it before dropping it off on the 10th, but I noticed that the sound of the door closing didn't have quite the same "bank vault" quality sound or feel as our current 2011 F10. And yes, our M550i is spec'd with the soft close doors, just like our out-going F10.

Everything about the M550 felt firm, tight, and rattle-free - it's an awesomely rigid and well-built car, but I did form an impression that the door closing experience was marginally wanting compared to the F10.

We're talking about nit-picking levels of whining here, but to answer your question, yes, I noticed it as well.
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Unless they made changes for 2019, my 2018 540i doors close fine, no rattles or "shudders". Even if he had soft-close, I don't see how that would affect the physical door closing "issues" he noted, from a purely physical point of view (frame, door meshing with body, etc.).
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Could this different sound be due to lighter weight materials being used in the doors as well as throughout the rest of the car? The new gen G30 is some 200lbs lighter than the previous gen. I haven't noticed anything too different when closing my doors.
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Could this different sound be due to lighter weight materials being used in the doors as well as throughout the rest of the car? The new gen G30 is some 200lbs lighter than the previous gen. I haven't noticed anything too different when closing my doors.
That was my impression when closing the doors. I noticed the difference from the F10 literally from the first time I closed the door, and immediately concluded that it had to do with lightweighting, not poor build quality or "cheapness."

IMO, I wouldn't ascribe the word "rattle" to it, because the door most certainly didn't rattle. It just doesn't have *quite* the same quiet, satisfying, vault-like "thud" that you're used to on a luxury car.


If that's the only knock on the G30 compared to the F10 - and for me it is - I'll take the G30 FTW every time. Good riddance to the F10.
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Other things being equal, lighter is better even if the doors don't close with the thud of a bank vault.
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Old 08-04-2019, 03:14 PM
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Looks like my car isn't unique then, I think it might be due to weight reduction efforts in which case its probably an ok tradeoff. I agree its not quite a rattle, but its not a solid thud either, and there is some shake when the door shuts. I confirmed I do not have soft-close doors.
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I only got to drive the car a few times during the two days we had it before dropping it off on the 10th, but I noticed that the sound of the door closing didn't have quite the same "bank vault" quality sound or feel as our current 2011 F10. And yes, our M550i is spec'd with the soft close doors, just like our out-going F10.
Please excuse my ignorance in this area, but I wouldn't have expected soft-close doors to "thunk" like they're hitting something solid, due to the soft-close mechanism. I thought that's what "soft" meant. That isn't the case? Or maybe didn't used to be the case?
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Old 08-05-2019, 02:08 AM
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I'll have my wife come and close your doors. She seems to think the bmw doors need to be slammed like a bank vault. Ours are solid as a rock when closing. I have some experience with the soft close doors and they do not have a thunk, but are smooth and close solidly.
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Please excuse my ignorance in this area, but I wouldn't have expected soft-close doors to "thunk" like they're hitting something solid, due to the soft-close mechanism. I thought that's what "soft" meant. That isn't the case? Or maybe didn't used to be the case?
Soft-close doors WILL thunk if you shut them manually...that is, if you shut them like the regular doors. That's because they are the regular doors...they just have additional hardware that allows for the soft close feature once you bring the doors to a certain point. (but this may not apply to the G30 if the doors are made of a lighter material)

The question was originally asked in case the OP did NOT know they had soft-close doors and was shutting the door regularly...but then was hearing the soft-close drive do its thing where it will check that the door is closed (see highlighted text in info below). The question was asked to rule out the soft-close feature being the source of the rattle/shudder they were hearing.


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Soft-close doors WILL thunk if you shut them manually...that is, if you shut them like the regular doors. That's because they are the regular doors...they just have additional hardware that allows for the soft close feature once you bring the doors to a certain point. (but this may not apply to the G30 if the doors are made of a lighter material)

The question was originally asked in case the OP did NOT know they had soft-close doors and was shutting the door regularly...but then was hearing the soft-close drive do its thing where it will check that the door is closed (see highlighted text in info below). The question was asked to rule out the soft-close feature being the source of the rattle/shudder they were hearing.


+1 I have the soft close doors and I agree.
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I agree the G30 doors don't have quite the satisfying sound as the F10, but there is nothing cheap sounding about them. That said, on my wife's Acura MDX, there is a weather strip on the leading edge of the back seat doors. This gives an additional cushion for the front door to close against. It makes for a very nice solid sound when closing those doors. In fact, a better sound than the 540.
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I've had 3 serieses going back to '98. My 2019 2 series doors feel lighter, require more velocity to complete close "hands off", and do not thunk nearly as satisfyingly as previous models.
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Hi,
This description sounds a bit unclear. Does the door close or not?

If yes, and the shudder you speak of hearing while driving is nothing more than your seatbelt in it resting position (not connected / snapped in).

A design flaw (IMPO) - In My Personal Opinion, All 5 Series since the E39 have this clanking sound when driving (window open or closed). In motion the metal clip taps the b-pillar side panel.

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Just got a 2019 M550i. Car is great, however I noticed when closing the doors they kind of don't feel like a solid thud when they close. The door or car body shudders or rattles a bit when the doors close. I tried with all four doors and got this feeling.

Do others feel their G30 door don't close with authority and have some level of cheapness to how they sound when they close? Maybe something in specific is wrong with my car, might compare to others at dealer to see.
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If you want thunk, get an E34. Every model since then has had less and less bank vault as cost cutting and weight reduction has removed the physics that made the thunk sound and feel.
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I think it's determined by the day your car came off the assembly line. I say that, 'cause my E39 had the malady when I picked her up in Munich, March of '02. I complained about it for a year, and my dealer adjusted it 3 or 4 times, always claiming "this time it was perfect." To this day, she shudders when I close the door.
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If you want thunk, get an E34. Every model since then has had less and less bank vault as cost cutting and weight reduction has removed the physics that made the thunk sound and feel.
Making a car lighter while retaining or increasing its strength and rigidity costs more, not less. Whatever you think of lighter doors they aren't that way as the result of cost cutting.
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