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Old 05-21-2019, 11:38 AM
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Anyone used Pentosin 1058107 for trans fluid in 35D ?

I want to change the oil in my trans to see if shifting would get better and came across Pentosin 1058107 which it is stated to fit my 2013 BMW X5 35d but I don't see any reviews on it?

I know many people are using ZF trans oil but I am checking if Pentosin is good alternative.
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I do not believe so.

I believe that the recommendation to use ZF Lifeguard is quite universal. The consequences of a mismatch in a $10K transmission aren't worth the few dollars difference in ATF.
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I do not believe so.

I believe that the recommendation to use ZF Lifeguard is quite universal. The consequences of a mismatch in a $10K transmission aren't worth the few dollars difference in ATF.
Thanks for your feedback but I see alot of retailer website including FCPEuro stating this oil is good fit for BMW 35D.
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Why bother asking advice?

Just go with what all the SELLERS are SELLLING.

You F up your trans, you can be sure they are not going to take any responsibility.

Sheesh....
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I am sure many people have put that stuff in their transmission without adverse effect, but the safe route is ZF. Given the cost of transmission rebuild or replacement, I would stick with that.

It's not like buying a knock off brake sensor that won't reset. In the case of the sensor either it works or it does not and you know immediately, whereas fluids is a long term effect. Analogy is frog in a pot of water. Hot water the frog jumps out, cold and turned on it stays in and boils to death.
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Thanks for your feedback but I see alot of retailer website including FCPEuro stating this oil is good fit for BMW 35D.
Who profits, who bears the risk? They could as well say that water is a good fit, and maximize their profit and the risk would not change.
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I want to change the oil in my trans to see if shifting would get better and came across Pentosin 1058107 which it is stated to fit my 2013 BMW X5 35d but I don't see any reviews on it?



I know many people are using ZF trans oil but I am checking if Pentosin is good alternative.


Probably it will be fine. BUT, what if something happens?
Pentosin makes transmission fluid for a lot of manufacturers (including ZF). But, you really donít know ingredients. ZF6 has borate esters and today it is not often for fluids to have such stout base oil as manufacturers are moving to Hydrocracked or more often semi-synthetic stocks.


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I want to change the oil in my trans to see if shifting would get better and came across Pentosin 1058107 which it is stated to fit my 2013 BMW X5 35d but I don't see any reviews on it?

I know many people are using ZF trans oil but I am checking if Pentosin is good alternative.
1058107 is not the oil they should be suggesting. Something might have been missed in crossing over aftermarket part numbers to the OE suggested oils.

1058107 is a OEM G052162A2 VW/Audi OE number. Also known as ATF4000 in FUCHS. It is red in color (just dye, not a issue really) but doesn't seem to correctly crossover to the ZF Lifeguard 6 fluid for the 6HP transmission.

You should be getting a Lifeguard 6 spec'd oil. ROWE makes it and possibly a few others. 6HP transmissions are common so you might find a OE oil at a better price as well.

source; I sell automotive fluids.

*as with anything, do your research as I could be wrong as well.
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Here is the findings of someone else's research as was reported on Bobistheoilguy years ago.

https://www.bobistheoilguy.com/forum...ifegaurd6=Ford
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Here is the findings of someone else's research as was reported on Bobistheoilguy years ago.

https://www.bobistheoilguy.com/forum...ifegaurd6=Ford
Thank you for sharing this link.

I am going with Mecron SP in this case since it is basically the same fluid at 1/3 of the cost.
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In my first change a few years ago I bought the fcp kit with the pentosin atf1. No issues at all.
It's not as thin as zf6 or merconSP.
The redline d6 is what I chose for my next change which is the same viscosity as those 2, but much better sub zero specs.
Some on e90post use redline d4 which is the slightly thicker fluid like pentosin atf1, for heavier duty applications like drag racing.

All of these fluids perform well by reports. The key issue is to not believe bmw and run it lifetime. 60k mi is a good interval, and since mercon SP is identical at 1/3 the price, I will be using that for every 30-40k at my next change when I do my mechatronic seals. After that, I'm not going to bother changing the pan (just drain and fill) because the filter is just a mesh and has been shown to be fine even on 100k cars!
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In my first change a few years ago I bought the fcp kit with the pentosin atf1. No issues at all.
It's not as thin as zf6 or merconSP.
The redline d6 is what I chose for my next change which is the same viscosity as those 2, but much better sub zero specs.
Some on e90post use redline d4 which is the slightly thicker fluid like pentosin atf1, for heavier duty applications like drag racing.

All of these fluids perform well by reports. The key issue is to not believe bmw and run it lifetime. 60k mi is a good interval, and since mercon SP is identical at 1/3 the price, I will be using that for every 30-40k at my next change when I do my mechatronic seals. After that, I'm not going to bother changing the pan (just drain and fill) because the filter is just a mesh and has been shown to be fine even on 100k cars!
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My X5 50i 2012 is at 90K. I want to change the fluid. What is the safe/easy play for me?
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Buy the ZF6 change kit of thectsc.com

change the fluid

simple

IMO saving $100 every 90k miles is silly. Even every 60k. JMO
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Buy the ZF6 change kit of thectsc.com

change the fluid

simple

IMO saving $100 every 90k miles is silly. Even every 60k. JMO
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OEM is not what BMW sells


http://www.bimmerzone.com/category/T...ricks_OEM.html

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My X5 50i 2012 is at 90K. I want to change the fluid. What is the safe/easy play for me?
Youíll need ZF8 (8-spd).
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Buy the ZF6 change kit of thectsc.com

change the fluid

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IMO saving $100 every 90k miles is silly. Even every 60k. JMO
Just wondering, why is this silly for you? If we have the same exact fluid but different labels, why would I spend 3x the price just because it has the label?

I would rather spend the remaining amount on another things.
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Just wondering, why is this silly for you? If we have the same exact fluid but different labels, why would I spend 3x the price just because it has the label?



I would rather spend the remaining amount on another things.


It is not just the label.
ZF fluid is unique and proprietary formula is unique to that product, same as it is to that Pentosin, Valvoline Maxlife etc.
ZF6 or ZF8 are full synthetic fluids made out of majority borate esters base. For example, Valvoline Maxlife, which proved as pretty decent fluid is made out of hydrocracked mineral base and with that it is in all honesty not true synthetic fluid. Pentosin is also made out of hydrocracked base oils. You pay to play. It is BMW, treat it that way. If that is expensive, I will sell you Toyota Sienna, fluid is $4 per quart.


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It is not just the label.
ZF fluid is unique and proprietary formula is unique to that product, same as it is to that Pentosin, Valvoline Maxlife etc.
ZF6 or ZF8 are full synthetic fluids made out of majority borate esters base. For example, Valvoline Maxlife, which proved as pretty decent fluid is made out of hydrocracked mineral base and with that it is in all honesty not true synthetic fluid. Pentosin is also made out of hydrocracked base oils. You pay to play. It is BMW, treat it that way. If that is expensive, I will sell you Toyota Sienna, fluid is $4 per quart.


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First of all I am talking about Mercon SP Transmission Fluid. If you don't mind paying the extra cost to get the label, go ahead by all means and yes it is JUST the label. Do more research on Mercon SP before making that comment.

I don't care about the brand. If it is same fluid with different label, I will be happy to buy it. BMW or Toyota or whatever car it is, I will do the same.
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Ford sells that Mercon fluid because it is used in ZF transmissions that Ford uses in some of its vehicles.

Do you really think ZF has its own fluid brewing facility behind its factory? Its all made by a third party supplier, likely Shell, and some is bottled with the appropriate Ford Mercon label.
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ZF Lifeguard 6 fluid is a few dollars more expensive than OEM ATF-4 fluid, btw
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Ford sells that Mercon fluid because it is used in ZF transmissions that Ford uses in some of its vehicles.

Do you really think ZF has its own fluid brewing facility behind its factory? Its all made by a third party supplier, likely Shell, and some is bottled with the appropriate Ford Mercon label.
+1 and thanks for your review of the nokian zline tires on simple tire, they're amazing and my friend said they were very round and easy to balance on my rims. The Goodyear's he did for another friend were crap in comparison
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+1 and thanks for your review of the nokian zline tires on simple tire, they're amazing and my friend said they were very round and easy to balance on my rims. The Goodyear's he did for another friend were crap in comparison
Those Nokians are a bargain
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