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Old 07-28-2017, 10:06 AM
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Model 3 starts delivery, is that really the 3-series killer?

So the news says today the first 30 Model 3 will be delivered. It looks like Musk is on schedule this time.

Will prospective F30 buyers/lessees choose Model 3 instead?
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Old 07-28-2017, 10:11 AM
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Old 07-28-2017, 10:28 AM
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Old 07-28-2017, 11:18 AM
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The answer is: It depends. I'd consider one (earlier in the year I was looking at the Chevy Volt) but not as my sole vehicle. While the Model 3 (and Chevy Bolt) is an improvement in electric vehicles they still have a ways to go before they're going to replace fossil fuel powered vehicles. Part of that ways to go is a supporting infrastructure.
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Old 07-28-2017, 11:30 AM
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. Part of that ways to go is a supporting infrastructure.
Yeah, electricity is really hard to find...
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Old 07-28-2017, 11:31 AM
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Yeah, electricity is really hard to find...
You can find a charging station in as many locations as you can a gas station?
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Old 07-28-2017, 01:51 PM
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You can find a charging station in as many locations as you can a gas station?
I can find AC power in more locations. As plug in cars proliferate, growing the infrastructure is easy and cheap. Gas stations cost far more than charging stations.
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Old 07-28-2017, 01:57 PM
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You can find a charging station in as many locations as you can a gas station?
Yes and no. Except for super super-charger stations, no charging station is comparable to a gas station - the filling rate is much much much slower. The only reason people consider them comparable is that most people don't drive their cars during work hours or at night.
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Old 07-28-2017, 02:18 PM
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Yes and no. Except for super super-charger stations, no charging station is comparable to a gas station - the filling rate is much much much slower. The only reason people consider them comparable is that most people don't drive their cars during work hours or at night.
Then the answer is: No.
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You can find a charging station in as many locations as you can a gas station?
That it just a matter of time. A charging station is so much simpler to build and maintain.
You have to also take into account how much simpler an electric motor is vs ICE. Electric cars were just as popular early last century as early ICE cars. The issue was non existence of electric grid. Then Henry Ford came out with model T and an assembly line while Rockefeller provided fuel.
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That it just a matter of time.
Hence my statement:

"Part of that ways to go is a supporting infrastructure."

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Old 07-28-2017, 04:29 PM
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You can find a charging station in as many locations as you can a gas station?
Just find a mcdonalds/starbucks and plug the car in as if you were plugging in your laptop.
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Just find a mcdonalds/starbucks and plug the car in as if you were plugging in your laptop.
Let's say mcdonalds have [email protected] outlets, those would be 2.4kW.

In contrast Tesla surcharging is up to 120kW per car, with 480V.

So a quick charge for extra 170 miles in 30 minutes on a Tesla supercharger will require 1500 minutes(1+ days!) at mcdonalds.
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You can find a charging station in as many locations as you can a gas station?
If I want to go charge my Tesla i have to drive 45 minutes im no traffic to the nearest charging station. California is more suited for Electric cars

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You can find a charging station in as many locations as you can a gas station?
doubt that
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You can find a charging station in as many locations as you can a gas station?
depends on the area. We have some charging stations but few and far between.
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Old 07-01-2018, 03:59 PM
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So Tesla did hit 5000 Model 3 the last week of June, as the 5000th car passed QA at 5am PST(a few hours after the midnight deadline).
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For me, if my car is a daily driver, Iím plugging it in every night. Charging stations arenít really a huge priority.
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I'd go for Tesla just because they are starting up. And they are trying. It doesn't hurt to help your fellow entrepreneurs. Once BMW rolls out its electric 3 series to compete with the model 3 damn boi. But cmon.

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Old 07-28-2017, 12:40 PM
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I'd go for Tesla just because they are starting up. And they are trying. It doesn't hurt to help your fellow entrepreneurs. Once BMW rolls out its electric 3 series to compete with the model 3 damn boi. But cmon.

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I'd go for Tesla just because they are starting up. ...
OTOH, current Model S and X have been problematical from a fit-and-finish, and bug standpoint. Just like any new car, the Model 3 will be a pain-in-the-butt buggy.
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Seems like a reasonable option for 2-car families that have a separate road-trip vehicle. We have an X5 we usually use for roadtrips, but we do sometimes take the 335i when we're traveling light, so a pure electric vehicle wouldn't work for us.

The entry-luxury sporty compact sedan space is very crowded and mature though. Seems unlikely that Tesla would "kill" any of the major players (A4, C-class, 3-series) with their very first effort. Especially when you consider that Lexus and Cadillac have been unsuccessfully knocking at that door for about a decade now.
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When a sub 3.5 sec 0-60 arrives in the cpo market for sub 40k, its over for the bmw 3 series
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