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Old 01-12-2012, 03:14 PM
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How Important is it to get RFT tires?

Im in need of 4 new tires.....How necessary is it for me to get RUN FLAT TIRES? they cost an arm and a leg....
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Old 01-12-2012, 03:23 PM
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There are many threads on RFT's

Next time I get tires it will be Continental DWS a set is about 600 installed most places.
They will last longer and have a better ride . If they go flat I have a cell phone and a towing service. I can get the non RFT's repaired anywhere and I have had only one flat in the last 20 years. How many cars do you see on the side of the rode with flats these days.

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Old 01-12-2012, 03:24 PM
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Oh no. Not again.

There are probably thousands of posts on the subject just at this forum alone.

The subjective answer to your question will obviously depend on who answers it. There are people whose opinions I respect that go both ways on this one. They are safer than go flats.

"How necessary", like on a scale from 1 to 10? I give them a 5.
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Old 01-12-2012, 03:27 PM
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Very important, you don't have a spare. Unless you're willing to give up your entire trunk space for a spare, then go with run flats.
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Old 01-12-2012, 03:29 PM
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How necessary is it for me to get RUN FLAT TIRES?
What ctuna said, and I would add you should have a good towing service such as AAA premier or plus.
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Old 01-12-2012, 03:44 PM
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There are people whose opinions I respect that go both ways on this one. They are safer than go flats.
Whether you respect my opinions or not, they actually do happen to go both ways on this subject. On the one hand it sounds good in concept, but not optimum in execution, e.g., more expensive, potentially more inconvenient if sidewall damage no replacement readily available, stiffer ride, etc. The determining factor for me is BMW deciding for me what is best for me, without giving me the option and making disagreement with their decision unnecessarily difficult. I mean how much would it hurt their profit (or prestige or design objectives or whatever motivates them) to include a wheel well somewhere for a spare if that's what some people want? Charge extra for it if necessary. Put a sticker on it:

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WARNING: this vehicle does not have maximum interior space possible or it gets .5 mpg less than the max possible because the owner chose to have a spare tire.
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Old 01-12-2012, 03:58 PM
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What nobody ever seems to bring up in these threads is that the M3, the Holy Grail of BMW 3 Series ownership and the car that from what I read here all 328 and 335 drivers aspire to and would be driving if they could afford it to, does not come with RFTs or a spare.

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What nobody ever seems to bring up in these threads is that the M3, the Holy Grail of BMW 3 Series ownership and the car that from what I read here all 328 and 335 drivers aspire to and would be driving if they could afford it to, does not come with RFTs or a spare.

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If you can afford an M3, you can afford to take a cab home. Fix yourself a drink, put on the news and then text the location of your M3 to your Service with a reminder to have it detailed after they take care of the flat tire.
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I appreciate all your replies....I asked only cuz I seen sooo many mixed opinions. But for the most part a lot of people who HAD RFTS switched to NON RFTS are more happier with how smooth their ride is with NON RFTs....I do have AAA plus....all the threads mention how happy they are in switching to NON RFTS...just thought i could get a more clear idea....
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If you can afford an M3, you can afford to take a cab home. Fix yourself a drink, put on the news and then text the location of your M3 to your Service with a reminder to have it detailed after they take care of the flat tire.
I suppose it is a matter of perspective. According to some people the only reason to buy an M3 is because you can't afford a 911, or a Ferrari.

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After reading some threads im thinking of getting NON RFTs....I work at an auto auction and from what they tell me Michellin is the best brand of tires....i went to TIRERACK.com and it seems like they have a good price on them....
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When I bought my car I really debated whether to get the tire insurance but I said no because I could not remember the last time I got a flat. Granted the road in So FL are pretty good and I've been happy with my Potenza run flats....but if I had the option at delivery to pay for a spare and get non runflats I would have but BMW didn't give me that option.

If I decide to ever ditch the runflats and get non runflats, I either have to lose valuable trunk space with a full size spare or get a mobility kit and hope the kit actually works if I ever need it. Both options are not very ideal, so BMW wins in the long run by price gouging the consumer with the price of replacing runflats.
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Continential DWS are a very good upgrade. Run-flats are ...imho a joke! Sorta like corn based ethanol gas...expensive as hell to produce and little, if any value, to the environment overall.
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Run flats are are good idea but in their present state are poorly executed.

It has been tried before.




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I really like the Kuhmo RFTs on my car, and wouldn't hesitate to buy them again. In terms of handling, ride, braking, they are quite superior to the GFTs that were standard on my last car (Acura TSX with Michellin all-seasons), although I know that is apples and oranges.

The Kuhmos were not expensive at all, about $145 from Tire race - that is for 225/45 17".

I don't think RFTs are necessarily expensive or unpleasant to own, and I'm sticking with them.

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Go non-run flats, and put a donut in the trunk instead of a full size spare.. Just my opinion
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When I bought my car I really debated whether to get the tire insurance but I said no because I could not remember the last time I got a flat. Granted the road in So FL are pretty good and I've been happy with my Potenza run flats....but if I had the option at delivery to pay for a spare and get non runflats I would have but BMW didn't give me that option.

If I decide to ever ditch the runflats and get non runflats, I either have to lose valuable trunk space with a full size spare or get a mobility kit and hope the kit actually works if I ever need it. Both options are not very ideal, so BMW wins in the long run by price gouging the consumer with the price of replacing runflats.
BMW makes not profit from the pricing of RFTs at your local BMW dealer. And, if you don't like the dealer prices, TireRack or Costco are fine.

As far as repairs are concerned, your local tire shop will do fine. For whatever the reason, I get about one flat every two years, and have had no problem getting RFTs patched quickly.
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Very important, you don't have a spare. Unless you're willing to give up your entire trunk space for a spare, then go with run flats.
Roadside assistance, or a mobility kit fixes this. I have made it 45k miles without run flats.
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oh no. Not again.

There are probably thousands of posts on the subject just at this forum alone.

The subjective answer to your question will obviously depend on who answers it. There are people whose opinions i respect that go both ways on this one. They are safer than go flats.

"how necessary", like on a scale from 1 to 10? I give them a 5. :d
NOT SO!

They are beyond doubt only a 4.8

I have years of experience with my 3, and speak definitively. 4.8, and no more.

Claims otherwise are likely Audi shills, determined to decrease BMW sales at any cost. Shame! Foo! We know you, ilovemycar!
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BMW makes not profit from the pricing of RFTs at your local BMW dealer. And, if you don't like the dealer prices, TireRack or Costco are fine.
True, K.T.

BMW often forgoes crass, cynical profiteering for the good of mankind. It's only money. If you believe their price to be high, be it known that BMW is a victim of price gouging, fast talking salesmen, nothing more.
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If they don't make a profit how come they charge more

Are they giving the difference to good causes.
I know it costs a lot for those spiffy showrooms with all there perks.
Or was that a joke I didn't get. sarcasm?

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True, K.T.

BMW often forgoes crass, cynical profiteering for the good of mankind. It's only money. If you believe their price to be high, be it known that BMW is a victim of price gouging, fast talking salesmen, nothing more.

Don't confuse dealer profiteering (as in the ridiculous prices for tires, parts, and service) with BMW profiteering (as in the 328i being priced thousands more than comparable products form Infiniti and Acura, and BMW eeking out nickle and dime for every little feature).
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Don't confuse dealer profiteering (as in the ridiculous prices for tires, parts, and service) with BMW profiteering (as in the 328i being priced thousands more than comparable products form Infiniti and Acura, and BMW eeking out nickle and dime for every little feature).
A cultural thing, Europe.
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Picture yourself doing 70 MPH and getting a blowout, in the rain, on a dark highway. ....I'll take the runflats any day.
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Picture yourself doing 70 MPH and getting a blowout, in the rain, on a dark highway. ....I'll take the runflats any day.
I tried to picture this but in the 46 years that I've been driving on regular tires this has never happened to me so I have absolutely no reference for this. In the last 12 years of owning my S2000 (low profile, ultra high performance summer tires with a donut spare) I've had two flat tires from road hazards (nail/screw in the tire)and the tire was flat when I returned to the car in a parking lot. I can't remember when I last had a flat tire in any car before these two occurrences, but I have no doubt that it probably happened.

On the other hand, on our ED in our BMW with RFTs, we pulled into Trier after doing 145 MPH on the Autobahn and got the low tire pressure warning. We pulled over and the right rear tire was flat and was later determined to have a screw in the tread. How long was the screw in the tire? Who knows, and we had already driven over 1,000 miles since delivery. Was it in the tire while we were driving 145 MPH on the Autobahn? Who knows, but we didn't get the warning until we pulled off the Autobahn and had driven a couple of kilometers, although the head of the screw had been ground completely flat. Did RFTs "save us"? No way to tell.

I don't know what can be surmised from the two disparate experiences only that one person's experience is just that, their experience. You can't necessarily determine what is best for you from other people's experiences or their speculation. You have to make the decision based on your own comfort level with all possibilities.
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