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Old 07-19-2019, 02:47 PM
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how much $ to replace thermostat since EGR cooler will be out?

Hello,

I'm have a 2013 x5 diesel with 60,000 miles. The dealer is replacing the EGR cooler under federal emissions warranty (fortunately).

I thought I read it is a good idea to replace the thermostat while they have the EGR cooler removed. Anyone have an idea what they would charge for that? I know it will be more labor, but how much more I don't know. The part itself certainly isn't expensive.

Just some background info: about 2 months ago, I had the EGR Valve replaced under federal emissions warranty. Unfortunately, CEL came back on a couple days later, and the fix turned out to be replacing the pressure converter solenoid, which is mounted under the intake manifold, that controls the vacuum supply to the low pressure EGR actuator. They got me good on that labor, since the intake manifold had to come off (that part was NOT covered under federal emissions warranty).

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Old 07-19-2019, 05:56 PM
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How is it possible to get that covered under the FEDERAL emissions warranty? Or are you just believing what the SA told you, and since it is no charge, who cares? My understanding is BMW is offering specific extended warranties on these parts, not as a 'federal' warranty, but due to high failure rates and their possible lying to the Feds about the expected failure rates and costs. Perhaps pendantic.

What WE say the cost should be doenst matter much...what did they say?

Oh, maybe it really wasn't the pressure converter solenoid anyway? What codes and test plans did they run that convinced you they weren't lying/guessing with your wallet?

I wonder if a bad EGR cooler led them to think it was the EGR solenoid valve, when it really wasn't.


I mean how do 3 components all go bad weeks apart????


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Old 07-19-2019, 06:01 PM
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Old 07-19-2019, 06:08 PM
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How is it possible to get that covered under the FEDERAL emissions warranty? Or are you just believing what the SA told you, and since it is no charge, who cares? My understanding is BMW is offering specific extended warranties on these parts, not as a 'federal' warranty, but due to high failure rates and their possible lying to the Feds about the expected failure rates and costs. Perhaps pendantic.

What WE say the cost should be doenst matter much...what did they say?

Oh, maybe it really wasn't the pressure converter solenoid anyway? What codes and test plans did they run that convinced you they weren't lying/guessing with your wallet?

Well I'll see the test results when I pick up the car. They've always given me a detailed printout. I can question the SA further when I see him, but what's the endgame when I'm not paying anything? I can't ask for more than a zero balance and the truth.

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Old 07-19-2019, 06:10 PM
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I didnt ask the price of the thermostat replacement until I checked with the experts here first.

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Old 07-19-2019, 06:18 PM
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The answer to your last question is rather long. It is a detailed explanation of tests they ran. I think they had to check with BMW headquarters (?) and the solenoid was what was recommended to be replaced.

The call from the SA today said the cooler would be replaced under emissions warranty. I think added the "federal" part in myself. So that may be incorrect.

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Old 07-19-2019, 10:56 PM
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Well I'll see the test results when I pick up the car. They've always given me a detailed printout. I can question the SA further when I see him, but what's the endgame when I'm not paying anything? I can't ask for more than a zero balance and the truth.

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My point is that the 'middle one', where they 'got you good', may in fact not have been accurate or necessary.

You'll never really get an honest answer, but it would be interesting to look at 'was it really a bad solenoid, or was the cooler the fault the while time?'

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Old 07-20-2019, 05:12 AM
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I wouldnt be surprised if you're right. The reason I had top use the dealer was because some or all of the problem may have been covered under warranty. I have a MB/BMW shop, and I usually stick with them, although I am changing to a different shop after this, as my current place seems to shy sway from the diesel engine. Thanks.

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Old 07-22-2019, 10:56 AM
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update: $100 (thermostat) + $500 (labor) = $600. I passed on that.
(mind you, that's with the EGR Cooler already removed)
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Old 07-22-2019, 12:29 PM
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update: $100 (thermostat) + $500 (labor) = $600. I passed on that.
(mind you, that's with the EGR Cooler already removed)
Hence the stealership name.
That being said, do you know what temp your thermostat is operating at? You might need one anyway. I think the part is about $60-70 and I can't think of a shop that would do it for less than three hours of labor. Add a gallon of coolant, tax for the whole job, and in most urban areas you're at $600 plus.
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Old 07-22-2019, 12:41 PM
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I didnt check on the coolant temp yet (I've seen the threads on that), but these guys already got me for enough money. I'd rather take my business elsewhere, I'm done with them, thanks

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Old 07-24-2019, 10:30 AM
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Just an update after getting my car back today.

The most recent CEL was due to the EGR cooler spring being rusted and broken, a common problem that you all know about
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Old 07-25-2019, 02:54 PM
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For reference purposes I just had my thermostat changed and nothing else completed and it cost $341 CDN for everything. This was not at a dealership, just at an Indy, that then tried to convince me I need other work completed, which was a lie. If they think you are gullible they will try and take as much as possible from you.
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Old 07-25-2019, 04:33 PM
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Thanks Dash, that's more like it. I had an indy shop, where the owner was super religious. He could not tell a lie! I thought I died and went to heaven (he saved me from unecessary work that dealer said needed to be done). Next time I went back to indy, HE had died. In his 50s. So sad.

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Old 07-27-2019, 08:40 PM
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I just replaced a thermostat on one of my X5s (I have two lol) and thought I'd make a "how to for dummies" video when I do the other one in coming days (I couldn't find a good video and it would have really helped me). Unless there is a good one already that I couldn't find. Anyway job is pretty easy and should take maybe 3 hours tops if you've never done one before. Anyway I reckon anyone considering taking theirs in to a mechanic or dealership should really consider just doing it themselves.
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