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Old 10-27-2019, 01:55 PM
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You probably are, because no PINout is showing that pin20 connection. Simply not used.
Well then I have to spend more hours next weekend, again...

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Oh, f*cked up. I was close, but was so relying on the wiring diagramms...

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What did the wiring diagrams say were on pin 22 and 3?

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What did the wiring diagrams say were on pin 22 and 3?

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Just this. Which probably is standard remote co***326;wcrion to CAS.

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Just this. Which probably is standard remote co***326;wcrion to CAS.

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In this block diagram of the CAS you can at least see the fernstart option as well as my DS+

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Hi, I'm interested in being able to remote start my vehicle. Could you list the parts, part numbers and a wiring diagram needed to make this happen? Thanks in advance.

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Old 10-28-2019, 12:04 AM
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Hi, I'm interested in being able to remote start my vehicle. Could you list the parts, part numbers and a wiring diagram needed to make this happen? Thanks in advance.
First of all the car needs to be EU frequency for the remote controls.

Install a wire between pin 7 of the antella amplifier (key reciever) and pin 20 in cas.
Pin socket for reciver: 61 13 0 005 197
Pin socket for CAS: 61 13 0 005 201

Dual remote control for standklima and independent heater: 61 31 6 917 816

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First of all the car needs to be EU frequency for the remote controls.

Install a wire between pin 7 of the antella amplifier (key reciever) and pin 20 in cas.
Pin socket for reciver: 61 13 0 005 197
Pin socket for CAS: 61 13 0 005 201

Dual remote control for standklima and independent heater: 61 31 6 917 816

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So this option wasn’t available for us model cars?
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So this option wasn’t available for us model cars?
No unless you have an early model that wasn't changed from 868MHz to 315mhz.

The standklima remote only works with 868mhz cars.

You can always convert the car but that would require new Antenna amplifier (key reciever), new keys and thus a new CAS to go with them.

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Old 10-29-2019, 04:59 AM
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So this option wasn’t available for us model cars?
I think it was only offered in European market and only in countries that there was no law against having the car turn on like that and sit idling.
It was for example offered in Italy. But not Germany or Sweden.

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Old 10-31-2019, 04:35 AM
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I found a pinout for the key reciever (radio amplifier) in a technical training document.



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Independent heating runs but no hot air

Hi all,

I have retrofitted the additional circulation pump added additional valve and the hose to run the coolant in parallel to the engine circuit; have coded IHKA, CAS, SHZH and probably PM (however don't remember that anything was required to change within the latter).
WIth the remote or with the MMi input, and even with the pre-defined switch-on time, the heater turns on and IHKA blower-led blinks and the ventilators start slowly blowing some air.
But no hot air is coming.
Today I was at one local workshop which specializes in webasto heaters as was not certain that all my retrofitted part (valve and circulation pump) are not defective (as have been bought them used). They claim that all units are working, but they don't have established the reason why the warm air is not blowing. They will check again on Tuesday, although I have already lost a bit of credit to them...
So I am stuck a little, since I think that all coding is right, but the workshop guy told that it may be the coding still. My own thoughts are that there is something wrong with the hardware or maybe hose connections, because after the engine is started everything is heating just as necessary, but after the independent heating is switched on, the coolant probably is not running to the AC heat exchange unit and no hot air is converted. INPA shows that the temperature raises a little and then drops some units - so my understanding is that the heated coolant is not distributed to the AC.
ISTA/D showed also that valve is not still engaged in engine circuit and pump is off. However, the workshop guys tolf me today that they tested everything being OK.

Has anybody any thought how to proceed with diagnostics. I still have also doubts that hoses are connected right as they should be, however, it seemed not very complicated to understand which hose should be connected to which...

Any hint is appreciated.

EDIT: and no any faults are stored in any of the respective modules...

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Old 01-07-2020, 05:51 AM
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Have been to the workshop again. They say that the distribution valve is not opening the other loop, althought it is functional.
They had a diagnostic possibilities to establish that it closes and opens when the engine starts, but is not swirching on as necessary in independent heating mode.
So, their conclusion is that this is related to the coding...

I suppose I have to try coding again, however I don't know where from to start, since I think I have coded everything already as would be necessary...

Any hints? Or trace files from IHKA or SHZH from a car which has operative independent heating?

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Old 01-25-2020, 06:06 AM
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yesterday changed the changeover valve. The servoce guy then told me that the circulation pump is not starting. Dirtectly cconnected it runs as needed, but the heater is not switching it on...

Is there a possibility that my Thermo Top Z just is missing that option to start the pump. There is the socket, however. I just though that my SHZH model is as of 2002, when I guess the independent heating was not introduced in e65 models. So, maybe there was not such funkction available on my SHZH heater (however, it has the socket for the pump and the valve).

Any hints? Should I switch to the newer SHZH, and exactly to the Thermo Top C, instead of Z?
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Are the wiring any different?

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Are the wiring any different?

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No, at least as far as I am aware.

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After replacement of the changeover valve same problem pertains.
I have not tested with ISTA if there are any changes, but it seems that there is t a place for a theory that control unit on my ThermoTopZ might not support some funcrionality of a Thermo Top.C.
So my next move probably is to get another (newer) control unit or whole SHZH which is Thermo Top C.

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After replacement of the changeover valve same problem pertains.
I have not tested with ISTA if there are any changes, but it seems that there is t a place for a theory that control unit on my ThermoTopZ might not support some funcrionality of a Thermo Top.C.
So my next move probably is to get another (newer) control unit or whole SHZH which is Thermo Top C.

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Can you control the valve through inpa?

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Can you control the valve through inpa?

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I don't think I saw there such function. The names there are a bit different...

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Well, the part numbers of SHZHs are different, for the aux.heating and independent heating.
Maybe because of the circulation pump only, but maybe there is also the other difference with the control unit.

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Well, the part numbers of SHZHs are different, for the aux.heating and independent heating.
Maybe because of the circulation pump only, but maybe there is also the other difference with the control unit.

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I think i have seen diagnostic software on ebay germany for webasto that lets u do alot more .i would however message stuartjohn on here first as i know he done alot the time he done the conversion and had issues with it been locked out and he was working it on the bench etc .might be ashot in the dark but worth the try

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First of all the car needs to be EU frequency for the remote controls.

Install a wire between pin 7 of the antella amplifier (key reciever) and pin 20 in cas.
Pin socket for reciver: 61 13 0 005 197
Pin socket for CAS: 61 13 0 005 201

Dual remote control for standklima and independent heater: 61 31 6 917 816

That's all the parts needed

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I was hoping you could answer a couple of questions for me.

1. What is the difference between the EU frequency antenna amplifier and the US frequency antenna amplifier other than the different frequencies?

2. What is the difference between the EU remote and the US remote other than the different frequencies? I’m not looking for the independent heater function. Just the remote start feature.

3. Would you happen to have the part number for the EU antenna amplifier and the EU remote?
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1. What is the difference between the EU frequency antenna amplifier and the US frequency antenna amplifier other than the different frequencies?
From what I know nothing other than the frequency it is able to recieve is different.


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2. What is the difference between the EU remote and the US remote other than the different frequencies? I’m not looking for the independent heater function. Just the remote start feature.
The difference is that there isn't anyone for remote start with the us frequency.


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3. Would you happen to have the part number for the EU antenna amplifier and the EU remote?
The remote is easy, there are two versions for that but I could just find pn for the one with functionality for both heating and engine start
61316917815

but there are many versions of the antenna amplifier based on what equipment you have ie. TV, radio, DAB.
May I suggest looking at www.realoem.com

And I don't know if maybe your cas would have to be changes as well. It should at least require coding to support the eu stuff.

There is another thread on here where they discussed converting a us car to be able to use the remote start function.

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