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The sixth generation of the BMW 5 Series Sedan (F10) was produced from 2011 - 2016 with LCI updates arriving in 2014. In the US BMW offered a hatchback 5 Series Gran Truismo (F07) and the rest of the world also go a Station Wagon/Touring version F11.

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Old 12-21-2019, 06:15 AM
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So I am considering a pre-owned 2016 750i X with about 18k miles. I love the car as it it truly unique with an Individual Package and many other great options and the price is good. The concern in the engine (N63tu). Here is a summary of the service done on the car in only 18k miles:

Replace both chain tensioners
Replace air cooling flap
Telematics /ASSIST / occasional failure
New battery
Service Action: replace thermostat, replace wastegate actuator, replace turbocharger coolant lines.
Service Action: N63R Engine Campaign

I compared this to a 740 (6 cylinder) the dealer has and there is nothing but oil changes on the service summary. I just can't find a 740 that has all the other options I like.

I don't want to take on a big headache in terms of cost and my time. The question is do you think these things that were done have sorted the car out (they look like they were all pre-emptive and not because the owner brought the car in due to a problem), or are they indications of more problems to come due to the N63 engine?
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Old 12-21-2019, 11:12 AM
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...The question is do you think these things that were done have sorted the car out (they look like they were all pre-emptive and not because the owner brought the car in due to a problem), or are they indications of more problems to come due to the N63 engine?
Well, as the car is under warranty, I doubt the previous owner paid the thousands those repairs would have cost preemptively.
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Old 12-21-2019, 11:45 AM
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Yes, the car is under warranty until 5/20. Pretty sure these were all preemptive measures by BMW.
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Yes, the car is under warranty until 5/20. Pretty sure these were all preemptive measures by BMW.
BMW doesn't do preemptive repairs. BMW will not reimburse the dealer unless they can prove the failure with the failed part.
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Old 12-21-2019, 12:26 PM
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The service records describe much of the repairs as "Campaigns." Aren't these in effect recalls. They notice a problem with an engine and recall them all to preemptively fix it on all the other cars.
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Old 12-21-2019, 03:46 PM
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The service records describe much of the repairs as "Campaigns." Aren't these in effect recalls. They notice a problem with an engine and recall them all to preemptively fix it on all the other cars.
Nope. A recall is a safety related repair mandated by the NHTSA. The N63 campaign was a Customer Care Program, not a NHTSA mandated safety recall; even though most here and elsewhere called it a recall. One had to bring their N63 powered car with specific (like excessive oil consumption) symptoms, or knowledge of the program (which, BTW, was USA only). A campaign is the equivalent to an American manufacturers' TSB. If you want the campaign applied to your car you must present with the specific symptoms that the campaign covers. BMW will not "recall" every car just because a few have an issue.

Sounds like you've already made up your mind and that's just fine. Personally, I'd keep looking. Once I read about the N63 issues I decided to look for an N55 powered car. The straight-6 is BMW's bread and butter and they've been perfecting it for decades.
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Old 12-21-2019, 04:40 PM
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Thanks for the input. Yes, I have a 2016 535 right now and am happy with it. Sometimes I just get tempted by other shiny objects and it would be nice to have a little more back seat leg room for my now teenage kids. I do find the f10 to be surprisingly lacking in backseat leg room for mid-sized car.
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Old 12-21-2019, 05:18 PM
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Nope. A recall is a safety related repair mandated by the NHTSA. The N63 campaign was a Customer Care Program, not a NHTSA mandated safety recall; even though most here and elsewhere called it a recall. One had to bring their N63 powered car with specific (like excessive oil consumption) symptoms, or knowledge of the program (which, BTW, was USA only). A campaign is the equivalent to an American manufacturers' TSB. If you want the campaign applied to your car you must present with the specific symptoms that the campaign covers. BMW will not "recall" every car just because a few have an issue.

Sounds like you've already made up your mind and that's just fine. Personally, I'd keep looking. Once I read about the N63 issues I decided to look for an N55 powered car. The straight-6 is BMW's bread and butter and they've been perfecting it for decades.
I tend to agree with this, but there is a bit of legal/regulatory semantics involved.

In the US, for automobiles, there is no mechanism for 'non-safety related' recalls. So an MFG can call it what they like. Since there is no safety defect, none of the normal 'recall' processes apply. They can be called recalls, campaigns, corrective actuioosn, etc. Pretty much whatever the mfg wants. BMW chose a 'customer care program'... surely tested to underplay the fact that it was fixing a defect...positioned to address a 'customer concern' that they were using too much oil- whic was fine- but we want customers to be cared for.

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BMW was genius in the 'CCP this is not a recall' program. They were able to determine what minimal 'fix' they could do to push the issue out beyond 100k. Without the CCP their losses would have been massive. As it is, the pay for a few motors, and only part of it.

Id never own one of these motors.
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Old 12-31-2019, 11:51 AM
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Dropped off my '12 550x at the dealer this morning for new valve stems seals and timing chain inspection. I requested no engine swap as I do not want to be subject to the 70% or so cost of new engine. Valve stem repair is no cost. Dealer said BMW might authorize cost of new engine anyway, if needed. Dealer said less than 10 years old was main factor in BMW footing the bill.
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Old 12-31-2019, 11:52 AM
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Dropped off my 12 550x at the dealer this morning for new valve stems seals and timing chain inspection. I requested no engine swap as I do not want to be subject to the 70% or so cost of new engine. Valve stem repair is no cost. Dealer said BMW might authorize cost of new engine anyway, if needed. Dealer said less than 10 years old was main factor in BMW footing the bill.
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Old 12-31-2019, 12:00 PM
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Hi DavidF,
What was your consumption rate?
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Old 12-31-2019, 04:04 PM
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2 quarts/700 miles. Smoke out exhaust after extended idling. 77k miles

I have done valve stem seal repair on two of my previous vehicles with the N62, but this N63 is a different beast and I would have to invest in new special tools...glad BMW is stepping up.

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Old 01-04-2020, 06:13 AM
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Verdict in: BMW footing 100% of cost for valve stem seals, rear main seal, turbo oil return pipe. And incidental collateral damage such as cylinder head vent hose, etc.

Inspection of timing chains resulted in new engine not warranted. I am happy about this as I would have had to pay a significant portion of new engine cost.
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Same here..so far so good with 1500 miles and oil level still at full. Dealer usually over fill so I have to wait till after 3k and see how it pans out.
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Some recent info on N63 oil consumption:
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Some recent info on N63 oil consumption:
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I have a 2011 550i that has been giving me all sorts of problems for the past two years. BMW of southpoint here in Durham NC told me that after the recall tests they concluded that i need a brand new motor. $16,000 is the estimate. Dur to the fact that the car has 127,000 miles on it means that i have too many miles for coverage. Waiting on BMW corporate to contact me now. Its been two days. I will update. Any info would be appreciated.
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I have a 2011 550i that has been giving me all sorts of problems for the past two years. BMW of southpoint here in Durham NC told me that after the recall tests they concluded that i need a brand new motor. $16,000 is the estimate. Dur to the fact that the car has 127,000 miles on it means that i have too many miles for coverage. Waiting on BMW corporate to contact me now. Its been two days. I will update. Any info would be appreciated.
$16k is outrageous. The N63 motor is seen priced around 3200 on various BMW dealer parts stores. I was originally quoted all in $9600, for which I would have to cost share 60%. After warranty that agreed to cover i am one of the lucky ones with a minimal out of pocket. Looking at the bill breakdown from warranty company it is actually more like 8400$. I selected to freshen up turbo hoses and cooling hoses at my direct cost. Good luck.
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N63TU Litigation record.

For those of us who would like to know where the case is right now.

https://www.courtlistener.com/docket...h-america-llc/
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For those of us who would like to know where the case is right now.

https://www.courtlistener.com/docket...h-america-llc/
What's this for? The N6TU? I thought that was covered under the original approved lawsuit.
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N63TU Litigation record.

Read it so you know straight from record. This is specific to oil consumption and N63TU "Redesign". I only share this as it may affect part warranties in the very near future.
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$16k is outrageous. The N63 motor is seen priced around 3200 on various BMW dealer parts stores. I was originally quoted all in $9600, for which I would have to cost share 60%. After warranty that agreed to cover i am one of the lucky ones with a minimal out of pocket. Looking at the bill breakdown from warranty company it is actually more like 8400$. I selected to freshen up turbo hoses and cooling hoses at my direct cost. Good luck.
This is a remanufactured BMW engine from an outside vendor. When you buy one of these rebuilt engines they send your old engine (core) back to the rebuilding company which will then become another remanufactured engine for sale. These lower cost replacement engines are not done in-house by BMW so the quality could not be expected to be the same.
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What's this for? The N6TU? I thought that was covered under the original approved lawsuit.
TU is included. I purchased a motor for $2700 and did the install myself. $2000 to my indy for his help and use of his bay for 2 months (disassembly and waiting for motor), $1000 worth of new fluids, O-rings, starter, hoses etc... So I paid $7k but I replaced WAY more than the dealer would have.
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