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Old 11-21-2019, 07:43 AM
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Impossible to heel toe shift in E46?

The gas pedal is further back than the brake and I can't reach the gas with my heel unless I'm slamming the brakes to the floor with my toes. For a sports car it's a pretty sh*t design IMO
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Old 11-21-2019, 01:43 PM
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From what I remember seeing on YT, I think the technique required is more of a "rolling" motion, from left to right at the ankle, leaving the far-left edge of your shoe on the far-right side of the brake pedal. The videos might be worth checking out for yourself.
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From what I remember seeing on YT, I think the technique required is more of a "rolling" motion, from left to right at the ankle, leaving the far-left edge of your shoe on the far-right side of the brake pedal. The videos might be worth checking out for yourself.
You mean blipping the gas with your toes instead of heel?
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I think the technique required is more of a "rolling" motion, from left to right at the ankle, leaving the far-left edge of your shoe on the far-right side of the brake pedal.
This. Brake with the left side of the ball of your foot; roll onto the gas with the right side. You may find it more comfortable/easier to pivot your heel somewhat toward the throttle as you do but you shouldn't be using the heel itself to blip the throttle.

The technique is much easier to master when your entire brake system is in good condition--fluid, lines, seals, pads, the works. A low or spongy brake pedal increases the distance to the throttle, and the difficulty.
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I think the technique required is more of a "rolling" motion, from left to right at the ankle, leaving the far-left edge of your shoe on the far-right side of the brake pedal.
This. Brake with the left side of the ball of your foot; roll onto the gas with the right side. You may find it comfortable/easier to pivot your heel somewhat toward the throttle as you do but you shouldn't be using the heel itself to blip the throttle.

The technique is much easier to master when your entire brake system is in good condition--fluid, lines, seals, pads, the works. A low or spongy brake pedal increases the distance to the throttle, and the difficulty.
I guess slipping the clutch to downshift on a track is out of the question lol
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I guess slipping the clutch to downshift on a track is out of the question lol
As it should be.
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You mean blipping the gas with your toes instead of heel?
Yes,

Heel on brake pedal, Toes on the gas pedal.
Useful when shifting into 1st gear on steep hill.
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You mean blipping the gas with your toes instead of heel?
Kinda. Zeichen elaborated more about it.

What you mentioned might work, I'll have to try it, I guess
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You mean blipping the gas with your toes instead of heel?
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Heel on brake pedal, Toes on the gas pedal.
Useful when shifting into 1st gear on steep hill.
Braking with your heel doesn't sound right, it has to be done with the toes
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I guess slipping the clutch to downshift on a track is out of the question lol
If your technique is polished enough, you shouldn`t even need the clutch for those downshifts !
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How to "Heel-Toe" in an E46 101

1) Ball of foot on right edge of brake pedal.
2) Depress clutch.
3) Roll foot to the right so outer edge of foot hits the gas pedal.
4) Match revs to gear you're downshifting to.
5) Release clutch.
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Yes,

Heel on brake pedal, Toes on the gas pedal.
Useful when shifting into 1st gear on steep hill.
No. Re-read my post and SPDSKTR's. Ball of foot on brake; roll side of foot onto throttle.

It is much more difficult to modulate the pedals with the heel than the ball of the foot or toes. To alter pedal pressure using your heel you have to use the large muscles in your thigh. The foot and toes are maneuvered using small muscles in the calf and foot. Small muscles produce small forces but allow fine control; large muscles produce power but with much less finesse.

On a hill start it doesn't matter much but when braking from 120mph for a 90-degree corner that you can't negotiate above 60mph, downshifting twice at the same time, fine control matters.
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Old 11-22-2019, 08:04 AM
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How to "Heel-Toe" in an E46 101

1) Ball of foot on right edge of brake pedal.
2) Depress clutch.
3) Roll foot to the right so outer edge of foot hits the gas pedal.
4) Match revs to gear you're downshifting to.
5) Release clutch.
Yup I tried this and it's a lot more feasible despite being slightly uncomfortable
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Old 11-22-2019, 08:07 AM
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I guess slipping the clutch to downshift on a track is out of the question lol
If your technique is polished enough, you shouldn`t even need the clutch for those downshifts !
I'm not even gonna try that lol
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This. Brake with the left side of the ball of your foot; roll onto the gas with the right side. You may find it more comfortable/easier to pivot your heel somewhat toward the throttle as you do but you shouldn't be using the heel itself to blip the throttle.
This is exactly how I drive our E34.

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Btw can this technique be done if your car has a Clutch Delay Valve and do all E46s have CDVs?
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Are you blipping the gas with toes instead of heel?
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Are you blipping the gas with toes instead of heel?
You can't reach the pedal with your heel, it has to be with the toes
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Btw can this technique be done if your car has a Clutch Delay Valve and do all E46s have CDVs?
Probably/maybe? My 330Ci does not have a CDV.
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Btw can this technique be done if your car has a Clutch Delay Valve and do all E46s have CDVs?
Probably/maybe? My 330Ci does not have a CDV.
Which E46s have it then? I have a 330Ci as well
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Which E46s have it then? I have a 330Ci as well
Search for PN 21526755892 on RealOEM and then drill down on the E46 models. Then you will have your answer
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CDV makes no difference. It makes the clutch a bit more linear and hence more predictable/consistent on engagement, but the technique is unchanged.

Honestly I can't even tell you whether there is a CDV in my 330Ci. I didn't remove it myself so odds are it's still there. At some point, with or without, you just master the thing and stop thinking about it. It's only when you jump between multiple cars that the presence or absence of a CDV becomes annoying, IMO.
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MaclarenBMW et al,

I technique I mentioned above is for stand still on a hill ---> 1st gear without the need to use the parking brake.

That is all. This is the only time I use the brake and gas pedal at the same time.

PS: I am NOT talking about rev shift issue.
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[The] technique I mentioned above is for stand still on a hill ---> 1st gear without the need to use the parking brake.

That is all. This is the only time I use the brake and gas pedal at the same time.
Understood perfectly--but one proper technique will suffice for both needs. Heel on brake pedal, toes on throttle falls in the category of habits worth breaking.
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I have a 2003 330ci, brand new pads and rotors all around, fresh brake fluid, and stainless steel brake lines and can heel toe downshift without issue. OP, Perhaps your car needs some things sorted and thats causing your issue.
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