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Old 08-05-2017, 06:49 PM
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Two weekends ago. I do wish I had a rear airbag setup but it still handles the load just fine.

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Old 08-06-2017, 07:42 PM
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yet another boring tow photo

Most of these towing pictures are pretty interesting because of what's on the trailer.
I regret that my photo is kind of lame because you can't see what's inside. Like most of the other photos, it's another car:
It is red, as 98% of people would expect for this brand of car.
It goes vroom vroom,
It is the opposite of reliable (engine lasts about 40-50 hours, brakes barely last 9 months, and tires are a constant problem).

The rear airbag setup is really convenient. This setup seems to drive fine with up to 500lbs tongue weight (4800 total trailer/car). I usually put luggage & all cargo into the trailer to minimize rear weight bias on the X5. I haven't decided if I need a WD system or not.

Tires: trailer tires are speed rated just like those on our cars. I went with made-in-USA Goodyear tires rated for up to 87 mph (N speed rating). Beware that some trailer tires are only rated for 65mph. THink about it this way. If your tires are H rated, how safe would you feel driving them right at 130 mph while they are maxed-out at their load rating limit? Personally, I wouldn't feel very safe, and would be OCD about proper inflation. Most trailer tires are speed rated at L, which means a max speed of 75mph. I personally don't feel that gives me enough margin to tow at 65mph. I have one friend who was having a lot of blow-outs until he went from L to N speed rated trailer tires. He tows around 70mph.
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Old 08-07-2017, 03:18 PM
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Interesting article Re BMW X5 & Towing

The highlights below are from an article in "Automobile Magazine". It praises the towing prowess of the BMW X5, perhaps the "Ultimate driving "towing",?? machine.

"Online editor Greg Anderson called the X5 a "tall 5-series wagon with worse gas mileage." Founder and editor emeritus David E. Davis, Jr., felt it was more of an "all-wheel-drive mini-minivan" than an SUV. Executive editor Mark Gillies abandoned automotive terminology altogether, branding the X5 "an odd fish but a really good one." Most staffers agreed that whatever the X5 is, it's a good one.

The chassis and suspension inspired much praise. After a 1200-mile weekend, contributor Ronald Ahrens wrote: "There's no shake, the car remains composed over railroad tracks, and road-surface irregularities are nothing but trifles. Ride quality is simply astounding." Senior editor Eddie Alterman lauded its superb damping and over-the-road comportment. Managing editor Amy Skogstrom praised the taut suspension, preferring it to the "lumbering ride" of traditional SUVs.

The powertrain and chassis made for stellar towing. After pulling a U-Haul trailer laden with his dismantled Lotus racing car back from Indianapolis, Gillies wrote: "This is a far better tow vehicle than the GMC Yukon XL Denali I used to take the Lotus to Indy (with the same kind of trailer). For one, you don't get blown around. Just because a vehicle can haul a house doesn't mean it can tow well. The BMW may not have a huge towing capacity, but it tows superbly."

Anderson recanted his earlier dismissal of the X5 as merely a tall wagon after using it to collect an impulse eBay Motors purchase from Sacramento, California
Even with the 1972 BMW 2002tii riding piggyback, the X5 handles the trailer with ease, no jolting or wagging. It feels more like a train than a truck. If it weren't for the 2002 in the rear-view, I could forget we were pulling anything."
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Couldn't agree more with the towing comments. After the first time I towed, I've never doubted the X5s capabilities.
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Old 08-09-2017, 09:13 AM
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AirLift 1000 kit does wonders for sagging rear. Hundred-some bucks and you have 1000 lbs more tongue weight it can withstand.
Just because the rear doesn't sag it doesn't mean more tongue weight is safe. In fact I'd say airbags like this mask or hide the problem of too much weight in the rear axle. Without them you need a WD hitch to bring the back end up (which is the right way to handle big loads).

When I accidentally put over 1000lbs of tongue weight on my x5 it was dangerous. I did nearly 400 miles that way but I knew I had seriously compromised braking and steering control and I drove the rig with that in mind. Half way they the trip I put on the WD hitch because it was just too dangerous with so little weight on the front tires.

Out fitted and setup correctly the E70 diesel is an awesome tow vehicle. A 5000lb trailer load has a huge effect on acceleration, braking, cornering/handling and fuel economy on anything short of an F550. To say you don't even feel it is nonsense.
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Two weekends ago. I do wish I had a rear airbag setup but it still handles the load just fine.

Those Uhaul car transporters really put a lot more weight on the hitch because the car is placed so far forward. With a longer trailer, you could move the car being transported a little bit to the rear to lessen tongue weight.
The rear air suspension does help with such trailers though, by maintaining the ride height.
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Those Uhaul car transporters really put a lot more weight on the hitch because the car is placed so far forward. With a longer trailer, you could move the car being transported a little bit to the rear to lessen tongue weight.
The rear air suspension does help with such trailers though, by maintaining the ride height.
I agree however I think a raised ball would help push the weight back which is something I'll likely try next time. You can clearly see the squat not contributing to the best angles.

What are you guys using for your hitch attachment (ball)?
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Old 08-11-2017, 06:45 AM
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I agree however I think a raised ball would help push the weight back which is something I'll likely try next time. You can clearly see the squat not contributing to the best angles.

What are you guys using for your hitch attachment (ball)?
I use the standard 2" drop 3/4" rise model and flip it to the 3/4" rise option. That gives me a dead level set up on a loaded 7'Hx7'Wx12'L single axle enclosed trailer.

Even in the 2" drop setting it is still pretty even with just a slight tip towards the hitch being lower.

I have a standard 35d with no 3rd row seat or air suspension.
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Old 08-16-2017, 07:40 PM
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wanted to share my recent experience towing (new to me) a 23 ft Trail Light travel trailer. With factory options, its dry weight is listed at 3500 lbs and 350-ish tongue weight. Loaded figure it was a total of about 4000 towing weight. While my X5 35d appeared well planted handling-wise and had no problem with adjusting to surrounding traffic flow, it refused to go into 6th gear (in Comfort mode). The trip was over from Baltimore to Delaware's shore, over scenic Bay Bridge over via highways etc and kept her in the 60-65mph range. So the X5's tranny kept it in the 5th gear most of the 120mi/each way travel and as a result got a very lousy 14.8 MPG. To be honest, I had expected much better in that department. What are you guys getting towing about 4000 lb?


Also - while handling, taking turns etc appeared to be a piece of cake, on very few rough patches of road the trailer's movement could be felt inside of the X5. I would not know any better because have not ever towed greater weights, but would call out those folks that take the X5 to tow heavier things. It would appear to be not safe and no matter what folks say, this vehicle is OK for occasional tow. Definitely not for towing really heavy things across country; this is not a replacement for a sturdy frame-on towing vehicle and is not meant to replace that. Please exercise good judgement and safe travels!
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wanted to share my recent experience towing (new to me) a 23 ft Trail Light travel trailer. With factory options, its dry weight is listed at 3500 lbs and 350-ish tongue weight. Loaded figure it was a total of about 4000 towing weight. While my X5 35d appeared well planted handling-wise and had no problem with adjusting to surrounding traffic flow, it refused to go into 6th gear (in Comfort mode). The trip was over from Baltimore to Delaware's shore, over scenic Bay Bridge over via highways etc and kept her in the 60-65mph range. So the X5's tranny kept it in the 5th gear most of the 120mi/each way travel and as a result got a very lousy 14.8 MPG. To be honest, I had expected much better in that department. What are you guys getting towing about 4000 lb?


Also - while handling, taking turns etc appeared to be a piece of cake, on very few rough patches of road the trailer's movement could be felt inside of the X5. I would not know any better because have not ever towed greater weights, but would call out those folks that take the X5 to tow heavier things. It would appear to be not safe and no matter what folks say, this vehicle is OK for occasional tow. Definitely not for towing really heavy things across country; this is not a replacement for a sturdy frame-on towing vehicle and is not meant to replace that. Please exercise good judgement and safe travels!
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Towing is very hands on exercise. My X5 handles better with the 7,000 lbs trailer than a truck without any trailer. I am very serious about it. Before buying the trailer I test drove 3 half ton trucks. The handling was unacceptable for me, even without a trailer.

A couple of things - did you use weight distribution hitch? I guess you do not use ProPride, which I guess makes huge difference (I do not have experience with any other hitch). Did you inflate the rear tires to the max pressure? How do you know the tongue weight - did you measure this or just guessing? MPG depends rather on the aero profile, less on the weight. I am getting 14-16 mpg with my trailer.
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Old 08-17-2017, 06:17 AM
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Towing is very hands on exercise.
Two opposing viewpoints. I'll add another. We tow a lot. A two horse trailer, varying from empty to two horses. We have an X5 (5.0 V8) and an F-150 (V6) . There is *no* doubt the F-150 tows better.

The X5 can easily handle the tow, but it's clearly not as well designed for towing as the truck. It's not as stable, and the engine strains more (and the truck has a smaller engine!). You can continually "feel" the trailer behind the X5, and when it's windy (often here), the sway is noticeable. The F-150 pulls almost effortlessly. The trailer rarely causes any sway, and the truck handles better when pulling than the X5.

The X5 is a much better daily driver. Smaller footprint, great handling, more fun to drive. And towing a small distance (couple of hours) is no biggie. But for longer hauls, we much prefer to use the truck.

YMMV, but as experienced towers, this is our .02



PS: Kostyan--often must keep transmission in lower gear to safely pull in X5.
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Old 08-17-2017, 06:20 AM
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I meant to add... we DO tow in the X5, and it can easily handle it. That wasn't my point, but I didn't make it clear. My point was to reply to this...

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. My X5 handles better with the 7,000 lbs trailer than a truck without any trailer.
As experienced towers, we find our results... let's just say different. An X5 WITH a 7K trailer handles better than an empty truck?
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Trucks are designed to haul cargo in the back, not to tow. If they were designed for towing, they would have short rear overhang, independent suspension, lower center of gravity, etc.

In relation to the other points, I will not discuss with subjective observations. RV forums are full of those.

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The X5 can easily handle the tow, but it's clearly not as well designed for towing as the truck.

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2013 X5d staggered 20's. w/ OEM hitch and wiring harness, flipped for 3/4" rise on hitch ball

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Not sure if F15s are allowed in here but thought I'd share. Wife's xDrive50i towing Lance 1995 w/ Husky Centerline WDH. Thanks to Kanar for convincing me to get the WDH. Made life a lot easier during a 3 hour drive in pouring rain from the RV dealer.
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You don't suppose, do you, that BMW puts their "towing package" on every vehicle? That is, that the stock radiator, transmission cooler, and brakes are (gasp) actually adequate, rather than the cheapest combination they could get away with selling?

Nah. Can't be.
It is quite possible. We towed a 23' Airstream with a 2003 Infiniti G35 sedan. A pro set up. It had a custom hitch, tranny cooler, brake controller but otherwise stock. No issues with 200 hours of towing.

My on line pal had great success towing an Airstream with his 1st gen V8 X5. Note both used a WDH
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It is quite possible. We towed a 23' Airstream with a 2003 Infiniti G35 sedan. A pro set up. It had a custom hitch, tranny cooler, brake controller but otherwise stock. No issues with 200 hours of towing.

My on line pal had great success towing an Airstream with his 1st gen V8 X5. Note both used a WDH
Incredible! You went camping like a true european, with a car!!
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