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Old 08-29-2017, 06:16 PM
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Lots of guys here are WAY over the max tongue load. I'd measure it if I were you guys experiencing a lot of rear end sagging.

I didn't really notice any severe sagging in the rear towing a ~4500 lb load (2000 lb trailer, 2500 lb car) with the car properly positioned. The U-Haul trailers are absolutely horrible at putting way too much weight on the tongue, especially with a very front heavy vehicle. Put a 55-60% front weight dist. vehicle on that trailer and your tongue weight will carry about 60-70% the total vehicle weight, which is WAY WAY too much.
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Lots of guys here are WAY over the max tongue load. I'd measure it if I were you guys experiencing a lot of rear end sagging.

I didn't really notice any severe sagging in the rear towing a ~4500 lb load (2000 lb trailer, 2500 lb car) with the car properly positioned. The U-Haul trailers are absolutely horrible at putting way too much weight on the tongue, especially with a very front heavy vehicle. Put a 55-60% front weight dist. vehicle on that trailer and your tongue weight will carry about 60-70% the total vehicle weight, which is WAY WAY too much.
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Old 08-29-2017, 08:56 PM
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Lots of guys here are WAY over the max tongue load.
Lots of guys? Do you mind giving a couple examples?
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Old 08-30-2017, 04:17 AM
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It can handle. My pops has towed my E46 for 70 miles (3500lbs) plus the trailer (1500) on his 4 cylinder Toyota Tacoma with no difficulty. Thats overweight.

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Old 08-30-2017, 06:54 AM
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Incredible! You went camping like a true european, with a car!!
Like a true European and "Canadian". The pro's hear have mastered the art of setup and the use of a WDH which they don't use or know much about in Europe. With the pro setup and dialed in WDH our G35 did not exceed it's payload or axle ratings.

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Old 08-30-2017, 09:19 AM
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No problem towing boat. ~4500#

I have also done the U-Haul from Tx to New York. The only time I felt it back there was when the roadways were dodgy and bouncing things around.

I have a Curt hitch so I use a 5" rise ball mount due to the lower receiver height.
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Old 09-05-2017, 10:31 AM
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does anyone use a weight distributing hitch? does this disperse the tongue weight from all being on the hitch? im looking to purchase a large camper for my 13 X5D, but some tongue weight are a bit higher than rated say 650 can this be used with a weight distributing hitch? thoughts?
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Old 09-05-2017, 10:43 AM
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I am using ProPride hitch. My tongue weight is around 800-850 lbs, but I reinforced the hitch (google can am hitch reinforcement). X5 is a great towing machine. Just returned from a couple of days camping by the ocean.
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Old 09-05-2017, 11:25 AM
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I am using ProPride hitch. My tongue weight is around 800-850 lbs, but I reinforced the hitch (google can am hitch reinforcement). X5 is a great towing machine. Just returned from a couple of days camping by the ocean.
interesting info, I saw in your sig the camper that you have is exactly the one that I was looking as but was eliminating it due to the tongue weight. I see the specs call out 650lbs or so for the tongue weight on that camper, how do you get 800-850? loaded with family?

also do you have a link for the can am hitch reinforcement? I couldn't find anything in relation to the e70 x5?

how has your x5 been with towing the camper? have you put a lot of miles on it? we towed our 23ft boat around all summer and was a dream behind the diesel, and I don't see a 30ft camper being a problem that's under 7k.
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I removed the battery from the tongue and installed lithium batteries in the trailer (400 Ah). I have 2x20 lbs LPG cylinders not 30 lbs. I am putting heavy stuff over the axles. I am not towing with the water. ProPride (which is a heavy hitch) adds over one feet of length and I believe this also helps with reducing the tongue weight. I do not carry generator even though 90% of my camping is boondocking. I installed 640W solar panels instead.

The X5 reinforcement is similar to reinforcements used in other cars - basically, it is a metal strut welded to the receiver and bolted to rear axle carrier.

As I mentioned, X5 tows just great. I towed the trailer for over 8,000 miles (I picked up the trailer last year in August). Towed it through Rockies, in Sierra Nevada, etc. Stable as a rock.

The only concern I had was potential sway - ProPride by definition eliminates the sway, so no worries. I am also not towing faster than 65 mph (usually 60 mph) and trying keep the distance from other truckers doing 75-80 mph with their fifth wheels / toy haulers.
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Old 09-05-2017, 12:05 PM
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I removed the battery from the tongue and installed lithium batteries in the trailer (400 Ah). I have 2x20 lbs LPG cylinders not 30 lbs. I am putting heavy stuff over the axles. I am not towing with the water. ProPride (which is a heavy hitch) adds over one feet of length and I believe this also helps with reducing the tongue weight. I do not carry generator even though 90% of my camping is boondocking. I installed 640W solar panels instead.

The X5 reinforcement is similar to reinforcements used in other cars - basically, it is a metal strut welded to the receiver and bolted to rear axle carrier.

As I mentioned, X5 tows just great. I towed the trailer for over 8,000 miles (I picked up the trailer last year in August). Towed it through Rockies, in Sierra Nevada, etc. Stable as a rock.

The only concern I had was potential sway - ProPride by definition eliminates the sway, so no worries. I am also not towing faster than 65 mph (usually 60 mph) and trying keep the distance from other truckers doing 75-80 mph with their fifth wheels / toy haulers.
great info thanks!
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Old 10-10-2017, 03:40 AM
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Old 10-10-2017, 04:07 PM
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Asking for help from towing community on here.

When towing travel trailer, I observe a weird braking behavior, where it is nearly impossible to come to a smooth stop. I am connected via Tekonsha Prodigy RF wireless remote brake controller and trailer has own brakes. So when hooked up and towing, it appears that trailer's brakes grab first and X5s brakes come on at the very last, or have very mild grab. THe whole X5 and trailer train shakes violently when breaking/coming to a stop.

Does this have to do with wireless brake controller, or problem with the trailer brakes? They were just checked out for state inspection less than 500 miles ago. I would not think drums and shoes got worn out in such a short distance. The x5 brakes perfect and linear when not towing.
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Old 10-10-2017, 04:20 PM
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Kostyan.... When all is right and set up correctly the stopping of the car/trailer combo is almost seamless. Something is amiss with your rig. There could be a multitude of things not right or a combination of abnormalities. Suggest getting a towing specialist or pro to have a look at it.
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Old 10-11-2017, 08:07 AM
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Kostyan, I agree with Road Ruler: something is horribly wrong with your rig, and you need to get it fixed before you have an accident.

I do not claim to be an expert in this matter, but it sounds like the brake controller is applying way too much trailer braking way too early. This might be due to misadjustment. It might also be due to the Prodigy RF controller itself. I have read that this unit sometimes does not play well with BMWs. Whatever the cause, it is time to take the vehicle and trailer to an expert for sorting out.
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Old 10-12-2017, 09:37 AM
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I agree with Micahel47. It sounds like your brake controller is applying too much trailer braking. Have you adjusted you trailer braking force by rotating the wheel on your brake controller? If not I would set it to "0" and test braking in a parking lot to see if this gets rid of the violent shaking. Then slowly increase the braking force by adjusting the wheel. This may take a few passes, but should address your issue. Once you find the desired braking force, be sure to note the value displayed on the controller for future reference. If this process does not fix your issue, I would look at how the wireless brake controller is communicating with the vehicle. Note, that if you have a factory wired brake controller and a trailer is hooked up and plugged in, the vehicle's stability system monitors vehicle yaw and and any input from trailer sway and makes corrections using the vehicle's braking system. This may be a contributor to your issue since the brake controller you have is wireless. Just a thought.
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Apart from adjusting the the power output as mentioned above, maybe the brakes in your trailer need to be adjusted. Check the manual whether you can do this yourself. As an example, my trailer brakes can be adjusted when backing up and applying the brake. I had "grabby" brakes one time and this process helped.
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Apart from adjusting the the power output as mentioned above, maybe the brakes in your trailer need to be adjusted. Check the manual whether you can do this yourself. As an example, my trailer brakes can be adjusted when backing up and applying the brake. I had "grabby" brakes one time and this process helped.

Thanks guys. I have been using a default setting on RF controller so thought that is proper. The rig stops its just too grabby and excessive pulsation at that as if the trailer brakes are terribly warped. Parked the trailer for the season and will look again at the setup in the spring.
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Old 10-16-2017, 05:52 PM
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Thanks guys. I have been using a default setting on RF controller so thought that is proper. The rig stops its just too grabby and excessive pulsation at that as if the trailer brakes are terribly warped. Parked the trailer for the season and will look again at the setup in the spring.
Uh, no, a default setting on the controller is NEVER a good idea. Exactly how hard and how quickly to apply the trailer brakes is subject to way too many variables for anybody to possibly create a useful default setting.

You should plan on having to tinker with the settings often, certainly the first couple times you brake to a stop, and do so every time you tow. This is definitely not a set-it-and-forget-it deal.

While we're on the subject, you should also be advised that there is a slider on the brake controller that allows you to apply the trailer brakes manually without applying the TV brakes for a reason: it is THE tool to halt the precursor-to-tragedy escalating trailer sway. If it starts, you can't apply TV brakes lest you immediately cause the accident you fear. But if you just apply trailer-only brakes via that slider, it will kill the sway keeping you on the straight and narrow. But to do so, you have to modulate those brakes, you can't just hit 'em hard.
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Old 10-17-2017, 06:30 AM
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Uh, no, a default setting on the controller is NEVER a good idea.

You should plan on having to tinker with the settings often, certainly the first couple times you brake to a stop, and do so every time you tow. This is definitely not a set-it-and-forget-it deal.
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Apart from adjusting the the power output as mentioned above, maybe the brakes in your trailer need to be adjusted. Check the manual whether you can do this yourself. As an example, my trailer brakes can be adjusted when backing up and applying the brake. I had "grabby" brakes one time and this process helped.
could you please elaborate. Are they self-adjusting by backing the trailer up? lol
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