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Old 09-21-2016, 01:50 PM
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That's very helpful, thanks. I just didn't want to be $500+ off on my invoice numbers.
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Is MACO for all regions a change for 2017?

I just got an invoice printout from a dealer on a 2016, and there is a line item for MACO that says N/C.

I also bought a BMW last January and paid no MACO.

The BMW that I bought in 2011 DID have MACO.

All the same region.
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Yes, it is no longer regional. It is really not "MACO" but some other mystery fee that gets added on in place of MACO. But as everyone knows what MACO is, it is easier to explain it that way. At least that is what I was told from people in the know.

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Yes, it is no longer regional. It is really not "MACO" but some other mystery fee that gets added on in place of MACO. But as everyone knows what MACO is, it is easier to explain it that way. At least that is what I was told from people in the know.

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Ouch. That's another $500 price increase for buyers not in a MACO region previously.
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Question on calculating invoice, please! Once I calculate the base US MSRP invoice, do I then add the packages and options to that number and then multiply by .92 or just multiply the cost of the packages and options by .92 and then add that to the "calculated" base invoice? I'm sorry ... I failed at math.
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Question on calculating invoice, please! Once I calculate the base US MSRP invoice, do I then add the packages and options to that number and then multiply by .92 or just multiply the cost of the packages and options by .92 and then add that to the "calculated" base invoice? I'm sorry ... I failed at math.
Here is the information in the pricing thread:

BMW Invoice Pricing calculation
Base vehicle US MSRP (from pricing sheets below) multiplied by 0.93
+ MACO fee $500.00 (flat rate applied to all dealers)
= Base vehicle US BMW invoice price

To figure the invoice price of your BMW as configured add -
+ Option and packages (anything you can add to the vehicle) multiplied by 0.92
+ Training fee of $180.00
+ Destination and handling charge - Currently $995
= Total vehicle invoice price +/- $10.00

It might help if you have an example, so let me make up one.

Lets assume you are looking at a new 340i (not the X drive version). That car has a BASE MSRP price of 47,900.

Take 47,900 and multiply by .93 = 44,947. This is invoice for the BASE car.

Now lets assume I add the following:

Estoril Blue metalic = 700
oyster dakota leather = 1450
Cold weather package = 800
M sport ( zero cost)
Drivers Assist 950
Adaptive M 700
Technology package 2750
Apple Car Play 300
Lighting Package 800

This is 8450 of options.

Multiply this by .92

8450 X .92 = 7774

So... MSRP is 56,350 + 995 Destination. With the above information we get the following for invoice

Base of car 47,900 X .93 = 44,947
Options = 8450 X .92 = 7774

44,947 + 500 (maco listed above) = 45,447
7774 + 180 (training) = 7954

45,447 + 7954 = 53,401

BMW tends to round up to the nearest 5 so invoice on this car would likely be 53,405
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Here is the information in the pricing thread:

BMW Invoice Pricing calculation
Base vehicle US MSRP (from pricing sheets below) multiplied by 0.93
+ MACO fee $500.00 (flat rate applied to all dealers)
= Base vehicle US BMW invoice price

To figure the invoice price of your BMW as configured add -
+ Option and packages (anything you can add to the vehicle) multiplied by 0.92
+ Training fee of $180.00
+ Destination and handling charge - Currently $995
= Total vehicle invoice price +/- $10.00

It might help if you have an example, so let me make up one.

Lets assume you are looking at a new 340i (not the X drive version). That car has a BASE MSRP price of 47,900.

Take 47,900 and multiply by .93 = 44,947. This is invoice for the BASE car.

Now lets assume I add the following:

Estoril Blue metalic = 700
oyster dakota leather = 1450
Cold weather package = 800
M sport ( zero cost)
Drivers Assist 950
Adaptive M 700
Technology package 2750
Apple Car Play 300
Lighting Package 800

This is 8450 of options.

Multiply this by .92

8450 X .92 = 7774

So... MSRP is 56,350 + 995 Destination. With the above information we get the following for invoice

Base of car 47,900 X .93 = 44,947
Options = 8450 X .92 = 7774

44,947 + 500 (maco listed above) = 45,447
7774 + 180 (training) = 7954

45,447 + 7954 = 53,401

BMW tends to round up to the nearest 5 so invoice on this car would likely be 53,405
wow, thanks for taking the time to help. that was awesome and much appreciated!
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Old 01-27-2017, 10:53 PM
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Here is the information in the pricing thread:

BMW Invoice Pricing calculation
Base vehicle US MSRP (from pricing sheets below) multiplied by 0.93
+ MACO fee $500.00 (flat rate applied to all dealers)
= Base vehicle US BMW invoice price

To figure the invoice price of your BMW as configured add -
+ Option and packages (anything you can add to the vehicle) multiplied by 0.92
+ Training fee of $180.00
+ Destination and handling charge - Currently $995
= Total vehicle invoice price +/- $10.00

It might help if you have an example, so let me make up one.

Lets assume you are looking at a new 340i (not the X drive version). That car has a BASE MSRP price of 47,900.

Take 47,900 and multiply by .93 = 44,947. This is invoice for the BASE car.

Now lets assume I add the following:

Estoril Blue metalic = 700
oyster dakota leather = 1450
Cold weather package = 800
M sport ( zero cost)
Drivers Assist 950
Adaptive M 700
Technology package 2750
Apple Car Play 300
Lighting Package 800

This is 8450 of options.

Multiply this by .92

8450 X .92 = 7774

So... MSRP is 56,350 + 995 Destination. With the above information we get the following for invoice

Base of car 47,900 X .93 = 44,947
Options = 8450 X .92 = 7774

44,947 + 500 (maco listed above) = 45,447
7774 + 180 (training) = 7954

45,447 + 7954 = 53,401

BMW tends to round up to the nearest 5 so invoice on this car would likely be 53,405
For the record, my example would be the 530i Xdrive.
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Old 01-28-2017, 08:23 AM
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For the record, my example would be the 530i Xdrive.
I guessed that (I read a lot of bimmerfest F series forums so I saw your post in the 5 series forum), but that car is not on the configurator as of yet, and I did not feel like sifting through the pricing sheets myself to do all that work.

I picked something on the configurator to show you how to do it in a detailed fashion, so I figured you could apply the step by step to a new "G" 5 series by looking at the pricing sheets for it.

Good luck.

EDIT: In my example, it appears that I forgot to add the destination to the final calculations. Doesnt matter since this is a fictitious example, but destination charges are part of the invoice so you have to add it.
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Based on the latest MY 2018 July build (with 20" 668M wheels, 12.3" dash, etc) for an M550i x, I calculated the invoice below for my desired build. Can someone help verify if my calc look about right? Is my offer of $79K a good offer? My bad if I post in the wrong thread. Thanks!

Base car $72,100

Exterior color
416 Carbon Black Metallic -

Interior Upholstery
LZFK Black Nappa $1,000

Packages
ZCW Cold weather pack $800
ZDA Driving Assistance pack $1,700
ZDH Dynamic Handling pack $3,600
ZEC Executive package $1,200
ZPK Parking Assistance pack $700

Options
300 Space saver spare - need 22E $150
6CP Apple CarPlay $300
6U8 Gesture Control $190
6WB Dynamic Digital Instrument - need ZEC $350
22E 20" M wheels 668M non-RFT Michellin Pilot Super Sport tires $1,100

Destination & Handling $995

MSRP $84,185

Invoice
.93 x 72,100 + $500 MACO $67,553
.92 x options & packages $10,203
Training fee $180
Destination fee $995
Total Invoice $78,931

Dealer profit MSRP $5,254
Dealer Hold back 5% $4,209
Dealer Total Profit $9,463

My offer $79,000
Actual dealer profit $4,278

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Based on the latest MY 2018 July build (with 20" 668M wheels, 12.3" dash, etc) for an M550i x, I calculated the invoice below for my desired build. Can someone help verify if my calc look about right? Is my offer of $79K a good offer? My bad if I post in the wrong thread. Thanks!

Base car $72,100

Exterior color
416 Carbon Black Metallic -

Interior Upholstery
LZFK Black Nappa $1,000

Packages
ZCW Cold weather pack $800
ZDA Driving Assistance pack $1,700
ZDH Dynamic Handling pack $3,600
ZEC Executive package $1,200
ZPK Parking Assistance pack $700

Options
300 Space saver spare - need 22E $150
6CP Apple CarPlay $300
6U8 Gesture Control $190
6WB Dynamic Digital Instrument - need ZEC $350
22E 20" M wheels 668M non-RFT Michellin Pilot Super Sport tires $1,100

Destination & Handling $995

MSRP $84,185

Invoice
.93 x 72,100 + $500 MACO $67,553
.92 x options & packages $10,203
Training fee $180
Destination fee $995
Total Invoice $78,931

Dealer profit MSRP $5,254
Dealer Hold back 5% $4,209
Dealer Total Profit $9,463

My offer $79,000
Actual dealer profit $4,278
I'm looking at a very similar build and I'm just curious as to how you actually did?
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I'm looking at a very similar build and I'm just curious as to how you actually did?


A dealer in St Louis accepted my offer for $80K. Very nice guy to work with too.


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Who did you work with, and which dealer? I live in STL and have only worked with Autohaus.
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Who did you work with, and which dealer? I live in STL and have only worked with Autohaus.
I ordered mine from Autohaus in STL. Ask for Renard Lasane. Very nice to work with and no pressure.
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Old 09-15-2017, 06:41 AM
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Any changes to calculating invoice on 2018 models?
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Any changes to calculating invoice on 2018 models?
Nope.
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Old 09-15-2017, 11:13 AM
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I think they are a very good dealership, overall. Always been happy with sales and service there.
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Old 10-12-2017, 08:25 AM
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are most people getting deals now below invoice based off these new calculations? seems a bit too good to true or something is skewed

im about 6 months out from lease term and reached out to my dealer for pricing on a 2018 X6 sdrive with MSRP of 77644, based off these calcs, the invoice should be about 73400. my advisor quoted me a sales price of about 73000, which should be about 74000 after dest and maco. so ends up being about $500 above invoice for a build to order... seems too good to be true. but i havent had to shop for a new bmw in almost 3 years so not sure if things have changed that much.
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are most people getting deals now below invoice based off these new calculations? seems a bit too good to true or something is skewed

im about 6 months out from lease term and reached out to my dealer for pricing on a 2018 X6 sdrive with MSRP of 77644, based off these calcs, the invoice should be about 73400. my advisor quoted me a sales price of about 73000, which should be about 74000 after dest and maco. so ends up being about $500 above invoice for a build to order... seems too good to be true. but i havent had to shop for a new bmw in almost 3 years so not sure if things have changed that much.
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are most people getting deals now below invoice based off these new calculations? seems a bit too good to true or something is skewed

im about 6 months out from lease term and reached out to my dealer for pricing on a 2018 X6 sdrive with MSRP of 77644, based off these calcs, the invoice should be about 73400. my advisor quoted me a sales price of about 73000, which should be about 74000 after dest and maco. so ends up being about $500 above invoice for a build to order... seems too good to be true. but i havent had to shop for a new bmw in almost 3 years so not sure if things have changed that much.
After using this type of formula for my previous 3 leases ('Invoice plus' deals), I basically went to a percentage off MSRP (including incentives) on the leases of our '17 340xi & X3 earlier this spring. With all the trunk money, it became too difficult to get everything itemized, etc. For the record, we got ~11% off the 340xi and ~10% off the X3. They were negotiated and custom ordered simultaneously. For the record, I consider myself a VERY educated BMW lessee. I spend hours & hours researching, pricing, and comparing other published transactions to try to ensure a fair deal can be negotiated. A strong relationship with the CA doesn't hurt!
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I'm finalizing my order today for a 2018 M550 and i noticed my dealer doesnt include the $500 MACO or the $180 in the MSRP. so that skewed a bit of how "great" a deal i was getting. but at least they are not marking up the MF or taking cash elsewhere.

it looks like they just charge a $80 fee at drive off instead.

so im basically paying invoice ($925 bank fee included) and before the $3500 in incentives
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I'm finalizing my order today for a 2018 M550 and i noticed my dealer doesnt include the $500 MACO or the $180 training fee in the MSRP. so that skewed a bit of how "great" a deal i was getting. but at least they are not marking up the MF or taking cash elsewhere.

it looks like they just charge a $80 fee at drive off instead.

so im basically paying invoice ($925 bank fee included) and before the $3500 in incentives
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I'm finalizing my order today for a 2018 M550 and i noticed my dealer doesnt include the $500 MACO or the $180 training fee in the MSRP. so that skewed a bit of how "great" a deal i was getting. but at least they are not marking up the MF or taking cash elsewhere.

it looks like they just charge a $80 fee at drive off instead.

so im basically paying invoice ($925 bank fee included) and before the $3500 in incentives
Those fees (500 and the 180) are not supposed to concern us as buyers (they are dealer borne costs). We are "supposed" (by the model the dealers and BMW would prefer we use) just look at a discount from MSRP. Now that Invoice is readily available everywhere, more car manufacturers are moving money "to the back" so the spread between invoice and MSRP is getting smaller.

Sounds like you are getting a really good price, if you are paying invoice before incentives of 3500 for a M550.
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Old 10-25-2017, 10:31 AM
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I'm finalizing my order today for a 2018 M550 and i noticed my dealer doesnt include the $500 MACO or the $180 training fee in the MSRP. so that skewed a bit of how "great" a deal i was getting. but at least they are not marking up the MF or taking cash elsewhere.

it looks like they just charge a $80 fee at drive off instead.

so im basically paying invoice ($925 bank fee included) and before the $3500 in incentives
If you have a selling price that is invoice and includes the Acq Fee, then you are paying $925 under invoice.

Have they produced an invoice for you to see? They can take your specs and build an invoice. If they haven't, and your deal is based on invoice, I'd have them produce one.
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If you have a selling price that is invoice and includes the Acq Fee, then you are paying $925 under invoice.

Have they produced an invoice for you to see? They can take your specs and build an invoice. If they haven't, and your deal is based on invoice, I'd have them produce one.

attached is the lease calc... im about to add the drivers assist package which will bum msrp another $1700 and net cap about $1600 though

ive got the vehicle inquiry form with my production number also but its based off the build without drivers assist. so im going ot have them add that.
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