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F80 BMW M3 sedan, F82 BMW M4 coupe and F83 M4 convertible forum. This 5th generation M3 and all new M4 features a 3.0 liter twin turbo engine (engine code S55) 425hp and 406lbs of torque! Heavy use of light weight materials makes this generation lighter and faster then the outgoing E9x M3.

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Old 06-09-2019, 04:41 AM
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Should I get manual or DCT

As I said on my spare tire thread, Iím getting an M4 on European delivery. I just put the order in so I have a brief window where I can probably change the specs of the car if I want. I ordered the DCT but Iím really conflicted. Iím 61 years old and have driven manuals my entire life until I got a 4 grand coupe 4 years ago. The M will be my daily driver and Iím certainly not going to track it. But I do like to get out on country roads for some spirited driving when I can. I plan to keep it ď foreverĒ. I currently live in a moderate sized town where traffic isnít a big concern but when I retire that may, or may not, be the case.

The manual is cheaper and I suspect more reliable in the long run. Also, who knows how long BMW will even offer manuals so it could be more desirable if I ever did want to sell it. But the DCT probably performs better.

I realize no one can really tell me what I should do but those who have each please state the reasons you got what you did and do you have any regrets. Either way Iíll be happy but I also think either way I may question my decision.

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Old 06-09-2019, 08:35 AM
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As I said on my spare tire thread, I'm getting an M4 on European delivery. I just put the order in so I have a brief window where I can probably change the specs of the car if I want. I ordered the DCT but I'm really conflicted. I'm 61 years old and have driven manuals my entire life until I got a 4 grand coupe 4 years ago. The M will be my daily driver and I'm certainly not going to track it. But I do like to get out on country roads for some spirited driving when I can. I plan to keep it " forever". I currently live in a moderate sized town where traffic isn't a big concern but when I retire that may, or may not, be the case.

The manual is cheaper and I suspect more reliable in the long run. Also, who knows how long BMW will even offer manuals so it could be more desirable if I ever did want to sell it. But the DCT probably performs better.

I realize no one can really tell me what I should do but those who have each please state the reasons you got what you did and do you have any regrets. Either way I'll be happy but I also think either way I may question my decision.

Thanks for your input in advance.
Well,

Other than being 61, since you've driven MT's all of your life, It should be like, second nature to you.
What's the issue? This isn't an old ("Jeep - CJ") 4 X 4.

If you don't have any left leg related ailments (e.g.: blood flow, arthritis, gout, uric acid, etc.) then, the
choice is clear!?!


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Old 06-09-2019, 08:53 AM
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Since this is your DD why not make the switch over to DCT?
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Old 06-12-2019, 07:14 PM
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I've got a 2016 M3 with the DCT and I'm in the same demographic boat more or less. The bulk of the cars I've owned were manuals and I've been driving something with a clutch since I was 12 (farms have fairly loose driving rules).

Full disclosure: I hunted around for about two years before getting my M3. I almost always did test drives in manuals (the M240's manual is really sweet) and would have preferred it. But the dealer gave me a great deal on the M3 with the DCT and all the options on my list.

The DCT takes some getting used to since it's not an "automatic" in the traditional sense. But if you put your M4 in full-on sport+ mode the DCT really makes a difference (the car is a real beast in Sport+). It's obvious that a DCT will shave off a few tenths of a second on any spirited 0-60 run. You really won't understand until the first time you put it in full Sport+ mode and crank up the DCT shift control. This car is easy to drive very, very fast. That said, I am concerned about the lifetime of this transmission but I haven't heard of any issues like the Ford DCT debacle.

I really like the performance of the DCT. I would *not* DD a DCT. It would be a huge aggravation in stop-and-go traffic. I don't DD my M3 and it spends most of its time in "comfort" mode. My elderly M5 (manual) does most around-town errands and while it is a manual the transmission on E39s is quirky at best and almost impossible to repair. OTOH every modern BMW with a manual that I tested was smooth as silk to drive. If you've driven manuals most of your life you will not be disappointed.

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Old 06-14-2019, 07:44 AM
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We don't buy these cars because we need them. We buy them because we want them. The main purpose of a car is to provide us with transportation. Every car on the market will fill that need. Some of us want to go beyond basic transportation for whatever reason whether we are looking for a fun driving experience, luxury, status or whatever.

Both the DCT and the MT are excellent transmissions and I find them both enjoyable to drive. The DCT can shift faster than any human can which gives it a performance advantage. The MT can be very engaging and there is a great deal of satisfaction in executing a perfectly rev matched heel and toe downshift.

Bottom line: buy the one you will get the most enjoyment out of driving.
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Shift the M-DCT like a manual transmission. Done.
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I know that the DCT has better performance, but I'll take a few extra 1/10's to be able to "row gears".

I live in downtown Chicago and people think it's crazy to have a MT, but I just enjoy it too much.
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I know that the DCT has better performance, but I'll take a few extra 1/10's to be able to "row gears".

I live in downtown Chicago and people think it's crazy to have a MT, but I just enjoy it too much.
Tell me you've never opened all the windows and taken an quick blast on Lower Wacker...
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Tell me you've never opened all the windows and taken an quick blast on Lower Wacker...
Haha...I sure have - in my car and on my bike.
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I am in a very similar situation. MT's since my youth and now in my 60's with a DCT M4. Not DD just a weekend toy. My list of past vehicles goes on and on. My only complaint is the occasional "bucking" when starting out in 1st. There are ways to minimize this though. I truly enjoy the DCT and have no regrets
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I know that the DCT has better performance, but I'll take a few extra 1/10's to be able to "row gears".

I live in downtown Chicago and people think it's crazy to have a MT, but I just enjoy it too much.
I too have a manual M3 downtown...wouldn't have any other way...first gear and sport mode in my high rise garage is music to ears...
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I too have a manual M3 downtown...wouldn't have any other way...first gear and sport mode in my high rise garage is music to ears...
That's right!

The people in my garage at work HATE my car because it's so loud - every car in there is a luxury car and some old woman told me my car was "unrefined" and didn't belong in there. haha.
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That's right!

The people in my garage at work HATE my car because it's so loud - every car in there is a luxury car and some old woman told me my car was "unrefined" and didn't belong in there. haha.
Ha! My garage has some other loud ones...a few other M cars...Lambo...Ferrari...Maserati...etc...so no complaints!
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Ha! My garage has some other loud ones...a few other M cars...Lambo...Ferrari...Maserati...etc...so no complaints!
I rode my motorcycle to work last week on a slow day...now no one complains about my car anymore.
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I vote for the MT unless you forsee any health or external issues that might arise which would make you reconsider your choice after the fact.
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As I make move from my current 'tastefully modified' xdrive E92 to an F82, I plan to go with the DCT. Every car I've owned since I was 15 (now 62) was manual, until the E92. While rowing gears is fun, provides some great feedback and satisfaction, I've become a fan of the automatic + sport mode + xHP flash. Another $0.02 worth.

I've begun shopping for an F82, looking at 2016 & 2017's. Just haven't found The One yet.
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