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The next generation 5 Series, chassis code G30, arrives at dealers in February 2017. Looking like a scaled down 7 Series and riding on the CLAR platform, the new 5 Series will have a focus on lightweight and sporty performance. Engines options will come from BMW's new B family for the 530 and 540 and a turbocharged V8 for the M550i. Read more about the 2017 5 Series

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2021 5 Series LCI HP bump?

Is it safe to say the LCI will get a HP bump? The 550 got a nice increase this past year.
I have seen the spy shots with camo but no word on the engine.
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I definitely don't see the M550i getting an additional bump, but the other models reasonably could, and hope they do!
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Sorry, let me clarify.
I meant to ask if the 530/540 will see an increase.

I figure with the 550 bump, the other models should see it too.
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I'd hope to see the B58 engine in the 2021 to be the high output version that they are using in the M340, good for 382 HP.
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2021 5 Series LCI HP bump?

I have no insight on OPís question (sorry), but my hope would be they bring a diesel offering back to the USA. Iím loving my 2018 540 dX, and plan to keep it, but would be nice to have a diesel option in the future in case something happens to my car or the tech advances warrants an upgrade.

I know the diesel doesnít have the HP of the gas engine, but it has enough for me. When I get on it Iím at the speed I want in no time. I donít think I could handle the power of a M550.

Iím not holding my breath for such an outcome, though ... sure doesnít seem to be in the cards

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I'd hope to see the B58 engine in the 2021 to be the high output version that they are using in the M340, good for 382 HP.
Exactly what I have thought. As long as I don't have to get a 7 series sized grill as part of the deal, it might effect my decision to buy anther 540.
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I'd hope to see the B58 engine in the 2021 to be the high output version that they are using in the M340, good for 382 HP.
I would bet good money that won't happen.

The higher output B58 is only used in the M-lite cars. The 740i LCI and new X5 40i both have the lower output B58. Can't see why they would put the higher output in the 540i when its not an 'M540i'.

I would imagine the thinking behind that is simple, from BMW's perspective if people want a faster 5 series thats not a full M, there is the M550i - same logic with the X5 and 7 series.
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I would bet good money that won't happen.

The higher output B58 is only used in the M-lite cars. The 740i LCI and new X5 40i both have the lower output B58. Can't see why they would put the higher output in the 540i when its not an 'M540i'.

I would imagine the thinking behind that is simple, from BMW's perspective if people want a faster 5 series thats not a full M, there is the M550i - same logic with the X5 and 7 series.
Your logic....is not logical. So we just stay at 335 forever? The car is getting stale, which is why they can be bought at over $10,000 discounts. The sedan market is on life support. People like us buy Sport sedans for the "Sport" part. Why would we trade for a new model just like what we already have?

As to your last sentence, I'd love to have a 550. But $10,000 more is not going to happen at this point in my life (retired). I'm willing on buying another 540, but not with it getting just a bigger grill and tweaked tail lights. I'll be in something else if that's all they do.

BTW, let's use another "in house" example. All 750s get the 523 hp engine, even non M-Sports. But on the X5, there are two 550s. The M-Sport gets 523hp, non M -Sports get 456. So much for logic across different platforms.
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Your logic....is not logical.
I didn't say I thought it was logical, I think BMW employs that logic - be it right or wrong, their behaviour with the 7 LCI and X5 suggests that is what they're thinking.

FWIW, the lower output B58 does have a small power bump I believe - maybe 340 now vs 335 in the earlier iterations? The point is, I believe they will keep making 2 versions - a lower output version for non M-lite cars, and higher output for M-lite cars. They have been doing so for a while now (since 2018 I think when the higher output B58 was first used in the X3M40i), when they could have switched all new 40i cars to the higher out if they 'wanted' to. It simply appears to me that they have no problem with having 2 versions of B58 in use concurrently, depending on what badge is on the car.

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As to your last sentence, I'd love to have a 550. But $10,000 more is not going to happen at this point in my life (retired). I'm willing on buying another 540, but not with it getting just a bigger grill and tweaked tail lights. I'll be in something else if that's all they do.
That's a buyer's prerogative of course. But facelifts do happen with only minor power bumps like the 740i LCI.

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BTW, let's use another "in house" example. All 750s get the 523 hp engine, even non M-Sports. But on the X5, there are two 550s. The M-Sport gets 523hp, non M -Sports get 456. So much for logic across different platforms.
Yes, its a mess. I guess they would argue that the 750i is either M sport, or non-sport; and as we know M Sport does not mean more power so everyone gets the same engine. However with the X5, there will be a 50i and an M50i (M-lite). M-lites have more power so must have a higher output engine. But I do agree with you - it is just silly at this point.

I'm not saying BMW make the most sensible (to us as buyers) decisions, but its for that very reason that I will not be expecting them to make big improvements to the LCI G30, even though I would be pleasantly surprised if they did.
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Your logic....is not logical. So we just stay at 335 forever? The car is getting stale, which is why they can be bought at over $10,000 discounts. The sedan market is on life support. People like us buy Sport sedans for the "Sport" part. Why would we trade for a new model just like what we already have?

As to your last sentence, I'd love to have a 550. But $10,000 more is not going to happen at this point in my life (retired). I'm willing on buying another 540, but not with it getting just a bigger grill and tweaked tail lights. I'll be in something else if that's all they do.

BTW, let's use another "in house" example. All 750s get the 523 hp engine, even non M-Sports. But on the X5, there are two 550s. The M-Sport gets 523hp, non M -Sports get 456. So much for logic across different platforms.
There are varying degrees of "M-ness."

M Sport packages don't have tweaked engines. They have M cosmetics, better tires, sometimes better brakes, and the better tires usually gets you a higher speed governor. An M Sport Package does not change the designation of a BMW. A BMW X5 40i with or without an M Sport Package is still an X5 40i.

M prefix cars and SUV's get all of the above, and a slightly tweaked engine. Examples are the X2 M235i, X3 M40i, X5 M50i, M340i, M550i. There is no X5 50i with an M Sport Package. But, there is an X5 M50i, which has the M cosmetic and an enhanced engine, brakes, suspension, and tires.

M-suffix SUV's, such as the X3 M and X5 M, have "real" M engines in them, and "even more better" tires, brakes, and suspensions.

M passenger cars (not SUV's) have the M and the series number in the designation: M2, M3, M4, etc.

Finally, there are competition versions of M cars (M2C, M3C, M5C, etc.) and M-suffix SUV's (X3 MC, X5MC, that have slightly more power, and more performance oriented suspensions.

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I have no insight on OPís question (sorry), but my hope would be they bring a diesel offering back to the USA. Iím loving my 2018 540 dX, and plan to keep it, but would be nice to have a diesel option in the future in case something happens to my car or the tech advances warrants an upgrade.

I know the diesel doesnít have the HP of the gas engine, but it has enough for me. When I get on it Iím at the speed I want in no time. I donít think I could handle the power of a M550.

Iím not holding my breath for such an outcome, though ... sure doesnít seem to be in the cards

There is almost no chance of any more (new) diesel BMWs coming here, in my opinion. You likely need to hold onto that car for dear life.
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There are varying degrees of "M-ness."

M Sport packages don't have tweaked engines. They have M cosmetics, better tires, sometimes better brakes, and the better tires usually gets you a higher speed governor. An M Sport Package does not change the designation of a BMW. A BMW X5 40i with or without an M Sport Package is still an X5 40i.

M prefix cars and SUV's get all of the above, and a slightly tweaked engine. Examples are the X2 M235i, X3 M40i, X5 M50i, M340i, M550i. There is no X5 50i with an M Sport Package. But, there is an X5 M50i, which has the M cosmetic and an enhanced engine, brakes, suspension, and tires.

M-suffix SUV's, such as the X3 M and X5 M, have "real" M engines in them, and "even more better" tires, brakes, and suspensions.

M passenger cars (not SUV's) have the M and the series number in the designation: M2, M3, M4, etc.

Finally, there are competition versions of M cars (M2C, M3C, M5C, etc.) and M-suffix SUV's (X3 MC, X5MC, that have slightly more power, and more performance oriented suspensions.
I fully understand all that. Iím not suggesting anything special for the M-Sport. Iím just saying the 540 needs more power for me to get excited about replacing mine with another. And I think that sedan sales, at least in the U.S., need to focus on enthusiasts.
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I fully understand all that. Iím not suggesting anything special for the M-Sport. Iím just saying the 540 needs more power for me to get excited about replacing mine with another. And I think that sedan sales, at least in the U.S., need to focus on enthusiasts.
I kept my first BMW until the next platform was out of production. I'll at least come close to doing the same thing with my third and fourth BMW's. (My second BMW was involved in an unfortunate mishap and only around 59 days and 914 miles). Yeah, when I get a new car a want something different, too.

BMW's plan now seems to be if you want the big engine you have to get the it in an M-prefix car (e.g. M240i, M340i, M550i, X2 M35i, X3 M40i) The X5 is an exception, where you can still get an un-tweaked V8 without M Sport trim or other goodies. That's probably for those towing with their BMW SUV's. Often, the things that give an engine more power also reduces the engine's low-end torque, and that's bad news for towing.

BMW seems to only tweak the largest engine available in a particular platform. M-B's actually building "AMG Lite's" now, tweaked versions of smaller engines with all the AMG turning and stopping equipment.
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BMW seems to only tweak the largest engine available in a particular platform. M-B's actually building "AMG Lite's" now, tweaked versions of smaller engines with all the AMG turning and stopping equipment.
MB seem to have the same format as BMW:

M5 vs E63 - Highest performance
M550i vs E43 - 'lite' performance
Then all the 'regular' cars below that.
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