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Old 02-13-2020, 01:03 PM
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should steering wheel be straight after alignment

hey guys, just rebuilt entire suspension and steering and brought it to BMW for alignment.

steering wheel is slightly off center, maybe 3 degrees, enough to be annoying to me.

should that be straight after alignment and is it part of the procedure? wanting to know before i complain to SA

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Old 02-13-2020, 01:41 PM
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Good question. I had the front subframe out to remove my turbos and then I did an alignment afterwards and I also have a tilt in the wheel. I would imagine it should be straight. I suppose I did also put my winter tires on shortly after the alignment so perhaps they have a problem.
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Old 02-13-2020, 01:51 PM
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Yes, it should be centered.

Keep in mind that on some highly crowned roads, it's sometimes necessary to "steer into" the crown a tiny bit to keep the car tracking correctly, but that shouldn't be the case for most driving. Some of the roads in south-central Austin (the only surface roads there I've driven much) DO have pretty healthy crowns (presumably to assist in shedding the HUGE amount of rain you get occasionally).
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Very often, particularly on BMW, the first step of an alignment by BMW procedure is to set the steering to 'zero' and lock it in place. Let's see about your car ....
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Version without active front steering:
If necessary, remove steering gear cover at side
Move steering into straight-ahead position by means of markings on cap (1) and steering gear (2).
Align steering wheel and secure with steering wheel arrester.
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It's a case of the mechanics either being lazy or too hurried to take the final step. Not sure what you paid but I have experienced this exact problem as the shop does the work on a fixed price and wants to turn over the vehicles as quickly as possible.
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thanks guys, I have active steering. any of you know how to read an alignment printout? I've never studied it before, but I'm not convinced it is good.
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thanks guys, I have active steering. any of you know how to read an alignment printout? I've never studied it before, but I'm not convinced it is good.


Post your printout. Also search for Bimmerfest member “ard” and click on his alignment link. It’s a big help.


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Old 02-13-2020, 07:02 PM
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The shop should know better. Personally, I would get underneath and give each tie rod equal turns in the appropriate direction until your steering is straight.

While you can unbolt the steering wheel and move it back to straight, you shouldn't, because your steering rack will be off center.
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Old 02-13-2020, 07:04 PM
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Here is the sheet from BMW and also specs that Bently publishes. I have Sport Suspension.
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should steering wheel be straight after alignment

Right and left front looks too far off. Did you ask why the after measurements are so far off? Last time I saw that as the difference in alignment correction there was suspension damage.


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Old 02-13-2020, 07:25 PM
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No, I have not been into this dealership in a long time. Way back when, they used to be really good. I'm not so sure anymore. I trusted them based on the past, didn't even look at it until after I was driving down the road and noticed steering wheel off axis. Car has not been in accident. I did rebuild entire suspension, but made a point to torqu everything down at resting position, or as close as I could get.

What part looks off - everything on front?
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Old 02-13-2020, 08:32 PM
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Alignment looked better before, save for rear camber.
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Short answer-yes.
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BMW dealers go for the green “within limits” and not for specific numbers unless you make them.


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^^^^ +1

To learn 'alignment', ask yourself why not align to straight ahead - zero toe - and zero camber? Learn the why.
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Old 02-14-2020, 05:22 AM
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Here is where it says to "Move steering into straight-ahead position by means of markings on cap (1) and steering gear (2).

Align steering wheel and secure with steering wheel arrester."

https://www.newtis.info/tisv2/a/en/e...ement/1LtFbLKe

The start of the alignment procedure
https://www.newtis.info/tisv2/a/en/e...rement/7DZbdQz
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What i would have done is ASKED them... but im sure by now its been a few days....

your case would have been much stronger if you would have returned 15 min after picking it up....


Ive i was a service writter and a customer came back a few weeks or days later.. ID compare the mileage from when it left and ask you what you hit


*you have nothing here to work with

but in your defense yes it should be zero in a text book world
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It was just yesterday, late afternoon.

I was comparing past alignments with this one. Same dealership. None of them have been that far apart on front camber.

Pretty sure the one from 2013 is the same day, print out is off. But why the different values? Are these 2 different units of measurements?
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BAR and psi? Both units of pressure.

I'll never go to the dealer for an alignment again.

Dealers will not adjust anything up front but toe. Camber is "not adjustable" if you ask a dealer. Ask a decent mechanic and he'll pull the alignment pins on the strut tower and adjust camber from there.
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BAR and psi? Both units of pressure.
I was referring to the 2nd and 3rd photo from June 2013. 2 different print out types from the same day, but degrees totally different?
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Here is the sheet from BMW and also specs that Bently publishes. I have Sport Suspension.
+1 on the comment about the fronts looking off. While this is definitely an improvement from where it was, the fronts should be closer in the camber measurement. The front left is in the green but just barely. I would go back and ask them to get the left front camber to measure closer to the right front, and then get the steering wheel centered. Alignments are expensive enough that they should do it right, not just into the green and call it a day thinking you won't know any better.
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Yes, your steering wheel should be perfectly centered and the sad thing is it is stupid simple to do. You should take it back and make them fill the tank for the inconvenience
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Tie Rods need adjusting.
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Tie Rods need adjusting.
Are you referring to toe? What do you think it should be set at?
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