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Old 10-20-2014, 11:20 AM
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When are you swapping over to your winter set?

I've always heard that the general rule is that the summer tires need to go once temperatures are consistently 7 C (~45 F) or below. We are getting pretty close to that so that I just made an appointment for my car for November 8.

For those of you who will be "lucky" enough to get snow, when are you planning on swapping your summers/all-seasons to your winter set?

Also, even though it is likely such a thread already exists, post pictures of your car with the winter set if you have them on already.
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Old 10-20-2014, 11:57 AM
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About the same, Nov 6. I used to try and wait until closer to US Thanksgiving, but it gets to be a bit of a gamble. They enticed me in early this year with a $30 Winter Inspection that the dealer has been advertising.
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Old 10-20-2014, 12:12 PM
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Probably this weekend, unless we get another week of 60's like this week. I also have Michelin PA3s so they are not hard core true winter tires.
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Old 10-20-2014, 02:02 PM
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About the same, Nov 6. I used to try and wait until closer to US Thanksgiving, but it gets to be a bit of a gamble. They enticed me in early this year with a $30 Winter Inspection that the dealer has been advertising.
What are you getting for this $30? Since all maintenance is covered anyway, why would they ask you to pay for an inspection rather than fix whatever needs to be fixed when it breaks?
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Old 10-20-2014, 02:52 PM
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It's not quite as dumb as it sounds, at least I think it's not.

The ad doesn't go into great detail about what they do, just a "55 point Winter Inspection". I figure since I plan on keeping the vehicle past the "free" maintenance period I would like to catch as much as I can now. They are also giving back a $20 fuel card so it nets out to about $10. If they can find something that borderline and fix it now while still under warranty I come out ahead.
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Old 10-20-2014, 03:29 PM
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Oh, I wasn't suggesting it was dumb. I was genuinely curious what they're planning on inspecting. From the sounds of it, it seems like brakes, lights, fluids, hoses and belts kinda deal.
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Old 10-20-2014, 04:04 PM
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Since I have all-seasons on now, I'll switch to the dedicated winter tires the first time there's frozen precipitation in the forecast.
If I had summer tires currently mounted, I'd switch as soon as the temps consistently don't go over 45 F / 7C, as you say. As long as they're not studded, winter tires do just fine on dry pavement so might as well put them on IMO.
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Fortunately, I live in the Seattle area so I can keep my staggered summer performance tires year-round! Global warming has at least this single upside!
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Fortunately, I live in the Seattle area so I can keep my staggered summer performance tires year-round! Global warming has at least this single upside!
You obviously aren't a skier or snowboarder!
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You obviously aren't a skier or snowboarder!
Full disclosure: my wife has FWD and four snows.
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Do most of you guys get both wheels AND tires, or just the tires? I was thinking of going with dedicated snows on the same rims, but someone suggested that swapping tires back and forth several times presents problems each time you break the tire/rim bead. Is this fact or fiction? Thanks for your guys' input.
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Old 10-20-2014, 05:10 PM
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FWIW, my wife uses one set of wheels. Discount Tire puts on her four snows and bags her all seasons. Two pair of tires is far lighter than two pair of wheels plus tires. The only time I've gone with dedicated wheels plus tires was for track days--and it's good exercise to transport track wheels plus tires to and from the track.
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Do most of you guys get both wheels AND tires, or just the tires? I was thinking of going with dedicated snows on the same rims, but someone suggested that swapping tires back and forth several times presents problems each time you break the tire/rim bead. Is this fact or fiction? Thanks for your guys' input.
I went the full set route, tires, rims and TPMS. I was told by multiple sources as well that it would shorten the life of the tires by the switch out twice a year.

Plus, by the time you are done with the labor you are not saving a ton to not get the full set. You can also sell the extra set when you are done with them and recoup some cost. Storage and switch out can be a pain though.

Some dealers are offering storage and do the labor switching them when needed for a fee of course.
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I went the full set route, tires, rims and TPMS. I was told by multiple sources as well that it would shorten the life of the tires by the switch out twice a year.

Plus, by the time you are done with the labor you are not saving a ton to not get the full set. You can also sell the extra set when you are done with them and recoup some cost. Storage and switch out can be a pain though.

Some dealers are offering storage and do the labor switching them when needed for a fee of course.
Just curious, did you get the same size wheels and tires, or something smaller?
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Just curious, did you get the same size wheels and tires, or something smaller?
I actually use the stock wheels mounted on Michelin PA3's on them.

I bought a set of square 18 inch Apex EC-7s and put Michelin PSS on those. Mark K's rule for first mod "reduce unstrung weight." I think they save around 8 pounds per corner over the stock rim/run flat setup. See Mark, I don't always argue or disagree with you .
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I actually use the stock wheels mounted on Michelin PA3's on them.

I bought a set of square 18 inch Apex EC-7s and put Michelin PSS on those. Mark K's rule for first mod "reduce unstrung weight." I think they save around 8 pounds per corner over the stock rim/run flat setup. See Mark, I don't always argue or disagree with you .
Gotcha. Thanks very much. I'll check those out. I've heard the Michelin PSSes are great.
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Gotcha. Thanks very much. I'll check those out. I've heard the Michelin PSSes are great.
The PSS are awesome and I can't say enough good things about the guys at Apex. I had a lot of questions and they answered promptly all the time while delivering a quality product at a reasonable price.

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Full disclosure: my wife has FWD and four snows.
So... Your wife puts snows on her car, but you drive around all winter on your summer tires??? Why?
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We live in Seattle. She puts on snows for mountain driving in winter and I ride with her. In the last three years or more, I've not had any snow to deal with, in the Seattle area, and we live on a hill--but we do drive to the mountains. I also avoid unpaved forest roads in summer--which she loves to drive, often passing trucks and SUVs, on rough roads, in her Passat. BMW drivers not only make good choices in selecting their cars but--if they are really smart--in selecting their spouses.
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We live in Seattle. She puts on snows for mountain driving in winter and I ride with her. In the last three years or more, I've not had any snow to deal with, in the Seattle area, and we live on a hill--but we do drive to the mountains. I also avoid unpaved forest roads in summer--which she loves to drive, often passing trucks and SUVs, on rough roads, in her Passat. BMW drivers not only make good choices in selecting their cars but--if they are really smart--in selecting their spouses.
I might have to drive my wife's 328d xDrive a few times this summer.
I have a dedicated set of wheels/tires for my 335d, but there have been a couple times I've wanted awd the last couple years. I've got a 4WD truck, but on all-seasons it's actually not very good in the snow; hardly better than my 335d with snows although it won't get high-centered easily.

As far as size goes, my 335d winter set is a square setup 225/45R18 (slightly oversize in diameter). I had a set of Michelin xIce 205/50R17 on my '01 330xi (that's the oem size) and the car was un-stoppable unless high-centered; drove circles around SUV's.
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Snow in November is not unheard of in my part of the world so I changed mine last week.
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About the same, Nov 6. I used to try and wait until closer to US Thanksgiving, but it gets to be a bit of a gamble.
A few years ago,in mid November,I drove the TransCanada Highway from Winnipeg to Sault St Marie and saw a noticeable (but certainly not huge) amount of snow on the grassy areas of the road...but not on the pavement itself.
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Say, can you try that again this winter, but driving west from Calgary? Did a lot of driving myself in that area in my youth, racking up 200 ski days in two years--back in the days when elk, sheep, goats etc often wandered onto the roadway--before today's TransCanada protections.
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