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Old 07-18-2002, 08:15 AM
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Bright Red BMW 3 series have no clear coat?

A friend in AL said its a "415 single stage thru 2002", meaning no clear coat...thats BS...I've seen bright red in person, it has a clear coat...
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Old 07-18-2002, 08:16 AM
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It absolutely does!
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Old 07-18-2002, 08:33 AM
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Yeah, I told him wherever he got his info, its incorrect (He's in the body shop business)
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Old 07-18-2002, 08:39 AM
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All BMW paints are applied using the same process which involves a powder base coat and a powder clear coat that are then baked on. I've been the to the factory and watched cars of all colors-- including red, black, o blue, topaz blue being painted in the same exact automatied process.
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Old 07-18-2002, 08:56 AM
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His reply was:

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A. We have our own mixing system in our paint shop. Our painters do nothing but mix, tint, spray all day. Our head painter who is also part owner of the company has 25 years experience as a painter and is the type of guy who when he sees a car rolling in the shop usually knows what paint code it is without looking. I was back there yesterday and asked him if BMW still came with single stage. Off the top of his head he said "there's a white and red that is". We both looked in the chip book 30 minutes ago and sure enough there's a red code 415 that is single stage thru '02.

B. Just because you cleaned up a red that wasn't single stage doesn't mean they're all clearcoat, there's more than one red.

C. We repaired a '00 BMW a month or so ago that was single stage.
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Old 07-18-2002, 09:00 AM
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Well, I guess you should NEVER take your car to your "friend"'s shop because I've run some pretty abrasive polish over my wife's bright red to fix some stone chips and no red paint/pigment was found on the polishing cloth despite some heavy rubbing.
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Old 07-18-2002, 09:10 AM
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Then he needs to define which red he is talking about. Bright red has a clearcoat.

Don't know about electric, but I'd guess it does too.
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Old 07-18-2002, 09:12 AM
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Well, its my understanding that ALL BMW's today use the same powder base clear coat applications. Even the mini does( http://www.autointell.com/european_c...t-05-paint.htm )

I'm trying to find more information.
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Old 07-18-2002, 09:18 AM
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Last time I checked clear coats are used on ALL modern cars period, I don't care if it's a Kia or a Lexus or a BMW or a Honda... and your friend being in the body shop/painting business ought to know this!
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Old 07-18-2002, 09:27 AM
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Last time I checked clear coats are used on ALL modern cars period, I don't care if it's a Kia or a Lexus or a BMW or a Honda... and your friend being in the body shop/painting business ought to know this!
see above post, he said in

C. We repaired a '00 BMW a month or so ago that was single stage.

If he said it was single stage, then it probably was...just wondering if someone else painted this car before him or what...he did not mention what model it was...I thought all models were clear coated..
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Old 07-18-2002, 09:29 AM
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It's a mystery then
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Old 07-18-2002, 09:32 AM
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see above post, he said in

C. We repaired a '00 BMW a month or so ago that was single stage.

If he said it was single stage, then it probably was...just wondering if someone else painted this car before him or what...he did not mention what model it was...I thought all models were clear coated..
It's possible that it was a single stage but if so, it wasn't from the factory and it certainly wasn't appropriate for the car itself!

For him to make the generalization that one particular color on a 2000 MY BMW is not clear coated just because he dealt with one car that wasn't is just plain wrong. But hey I'm not running his shop.
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Old 07-18-2002, 09:32 AM
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maybe this site would be helpful.

http://217.6.214.80/formular/sxen01.pl


category: Passenger car
car maker: BMW
search item: 415
color: HELLROT II (2C) 1999 2002 35534

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paint system
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2K-HS-Autolack
Basislack (HP)
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Old 07-18-2002, 11:10 AM
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ALL BMW paints have a clearcoat, no doubt about that. It's just not a metallic colour, and many people connect the 2 for some reason. Not too sure about your friend, but for many people they assume non-metallic means non-clearcoated.
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Old 07-18-2002, 11:13 AM
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ALL BMW paints have a clearcoat, no doubt about that. It's just not a metallic colour, and many people connect the 2 for some reason. Not too sure about your friend, but for many people they assume non-metallic means non-clearcoated.
I think he's quoting his book with numbers from BMW factory paint stats that auto repair places use. And the fact they got a non-clear coated BMW in shop. I think it needs to be updated.
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Old 07-18-2002, 11:24 AM
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Hehe, he's still sticking to his book!

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It is a fact that BMW still puts single stage on cars. Many manufacters still do with solid colors. Honda and Ford still do with white, and Toyota does with white and black. My PPG chip book is showing 3 different BMW colors as still being single stage. Sorry for the poor quality scan, but all I got is a B&W scanner here. I can scan it in color when I get home:


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Old 07-18-2002, 11:25 AM
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Hehe, he's still sticking to his book!

Honestly, is it that hard to look at a paint job and tell if there's a clear coat or not? I mean am I missing something here?
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Old 07-18-2002, 11:28 AM
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I think he's quoting his book with numbers from BMW factory paint stats that auto repair places use. And the fact they got a non-clear coated BMW in shop. I think it needs to be updated.
Does he live in Wash? have him look at my car, there will be no doubt. All I gotta do is open the trunk or hood and you can see the dull red where they didn't spray the clearcoat
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Old 07-18-2002, 11:41 AM
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His scan turned out like crap, but he said this:

For year model 2002 BMW, the following are non-clearcoat colors:

Code 438 Japanrot
Code 415 Hellrot
Code 314 Bright red

All three colors are shades of red.
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Old 07-18-2002, 11:50 AM
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Let's just bring the debate over here.

Sticking to my book and my experience rip. Do I really have to bend over backwards to convince a posse of auto-detailers of my knowledge? Come on. The BMW we repaired a month or so ago did not have a clearcoat. I'm pretty sure it was a red. Secretary is pulling the paperwork right now. I'll post a nice juicy scan of my chip page when I get home if that'll convince you guys.
Code 438 Japanrot, Code 415 Hellrot, Code 314 Bright red are all showing as not being a clearcoat color. I have personally repaired dents on late model bimmers that had only factory paint on them and DID NOT have a clearcoat. The vast majority of bimmers have a clearcoat, but not all, and that is a fact.

BTW, Honda, Ford, and Toyota are a few other car manufacturers that still have whites that are non-clearcoat.
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Old 07-18-2002, 11:53 AM
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Where is the color code documented on our cars again?
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Old 07-18-2002, 11:58 AM
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Where is the color code documented on our cars again?
I'm guessing inside the drivers door, possibly near the tire pressure information.
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Old 07-18-2002, 11:59 AM
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Let's just bring the debate over here.

Sticking to my book and my experience rip. Do I really have to bend over backwards to convince a posse of auto-detailers of my knowledge? Come on. The BMW we repaired a month or so ago did not have a clearcoat. I'm pretty sure it was a red. Secretary is pulling the paperwork right now. I'll post a nice juicy scan of my chip page when I get home if that'll convince you guys.
Code 438 Japanrot, Code 415 Hellrot, Code 314 Bright red are all showing as not being a clearcoat color. I have personally repaired dents on late model bimmers that had only factory paint on them and DID NOT have a clearcoat. The vast majority of bimmers have a clearcoat, but not all, and that is a fact.

BTW, Honda, Ford, and Toyota are a few other car manufacturers that still have whites that are non-clearcoat.
Hehe, Hblair! Now we ALL gotta settle this! I want to know too!
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Old 07-18-2002, 12:01 PM
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Old 07-18-2002, 12:44 PM
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Black plaque on left front shock tower, inside engine bay.
I found mine, it's on the fender almost under the airbox. And to screw things up even more it says:

314 HELLROT

As I understand it "Bright Red" is just the American name (marketing) for hellrot.

AND my car ABSOLUTELY HAS clearcoat.

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