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Old 05-10-2019, 02:55 AM
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Best quick spray wax

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I have a full service car wash and detail center. We offer the customer the service of a spray wax applied by hand after their wash. I just evaluated my brand that I have been using for years by trying about 8 different types. First this product in general really works in between regular detailing (Clay/light compound/finishing wax). Im still amazed at the just waxed feel and look it provides to a well kept car. The two best spray waxes I found was p40 from chemical guys and Simoniz body gloss. For best results apply liberally and wipe first with a slightly damp microfiber cloth. Finally go over the car with a dry microfiber cloth. This product help keeps your car cleaner for a longer period and protects it from UV rays as well as etching and staining from bird droppings and other road grime. Coincidentally both of the spray waxes I thought where the best contain carnauba wax even though the latest rage is ceramic and other synthetic chemicals.
A clean car always drives better!

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I use Turtle wax "wax and dry". Works just fine between real waxes.

I can probably get better results from other products, I'll admit, but this one is very fast since I don't have to dry the car. Perfect for those cold mornings.

For waxing I use Meguiar's...

One can argue back and forth on products.. I use the stuff above because it works well for me.

Having owned several cars past 200k and keeping them "looking new" with the above products, I am confident. Although, I'm sure other products would have worked just fine. My thought is "it is just wax". I don't get carried away about it...
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There is NO wax in Turtle Wax T9 Wax & Dry

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I use Turtle wax "wax and dry". My thought is "it is just wax".
Water >90%, Isopropyl Alcohol .05 – 1.5%, Polydimethyl Siloxanes .05 – 1.5%. Read the (Material) Safety Data Sheet!

PolyDiMethylSiloxane 200cp costs $20 / 8 ounces at AmaXon.

It is better known as Dimethicone and 200 Million tons per year are made.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polydimethylsiloxane
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Great observation!

Although I can truly say that if you do try the spray waxes I recommended after quite a bit of research you will be very happy. After all I make my living washing and detailing cars."Nothing ventured...... Nothing gained!"

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Chemical Guys P40 SDS ingredients. No carnauba.

Kjemisk navn
-alkanes, C9-11-iso-
-water
-polyethylene glycol trimethylnonyl ether
-kiselguhr
-aluminium oxide
-amides, tall-oil-fatty
-methenamine
3 chloroallylochloride
EC-nr.
271-365-3 231-791-2
215-691-6 268-949-5 223-805-0
CAS-nr.
68551-16-6 7732-18-5 60828-78-6
61790-53-2 1344-28-1 68155-20-4 4080-31-3

https://www.bilpleieshop.no/pub/medi...h-carnauba.pdf
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https://www.chemicalguys.com/p40-det...2cd18116b7d086


False labeling?
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Do you mean like a violation of law?

Fool me once and shame on them. Fool me twice and shame on me. Do not be credulous.

Carnuaba is called “the queen of waxes” for being the hardest of waxes. It is insoluble in water and ethanol. It is soluble by heating in ethyl acetate or xylene. It is a food additive and the US absorbs about 25% of world production. I believe production is manual, likely making it too expensive for bulk use where there are acceptable synthetic substitutes.
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You forgot to include the word "Practically", as in (practically insoluble in water) and (practically insoluble in ethyl alcohol)

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Simoniz Body Gloss, PolyDiMethylSiloxane Dimethicone and water. LOL

INGREDIENT
Water Polydimethylsiloxane

C.A.S. NUMBER
7732-18-5, 63148-62-9

https://www.simoniz.com/Customer-Con...Body-Gloss.pdf

PolyDiMethylSiloxane 200 cp is $20 / 8 ounces at AmaXon
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I did not understand 95% of your post. I think your obviously a smart guy in your field but the majority of people on this forum might not understand what you are saying and implying. What I was suggesting is the company chemical guys falsely labeling their p40 product by labeling it as carnauba spray wax and also in their description describing that it has many benefits of carnauba wax? I brought this up because you said it contains no carnauba wax by listing a bunch of chemicals it had but none called carnauba. Maybe one of the chemicals you are referring to in the product is know as carnauba? Im not sure. At any rate this product works very well.
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Derp derp derp.

Carnauba Wax Chemical Abstract Index Number 8015-86-9

I am sure it works well to your satisfaction, but how much does it cost?
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Again. I dont undestand Derp Derp Derp. As a suggestion try an speak in words that the average forum member can understand. No disrespect.
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The link is mixed up. The link mentions carnauba BUT the product IN the link is this...https://www.amazon.com/Chemical-Guys.../dp/B001TJGJ6U That is a P40 without carnauba
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Maybe it is the chemical makeup of a particular grade of caraunuba.
"Carnauba consists mostly of aliphatic esters (40 wt%), diesters of 4-hydroxycinnamic acid (21.0 wt%), omega-hydroxycarboxylic acids (13.0 wt%), and fatty alcohols (12 wt%).

The compounds are predominantly derived from acids and alcohols in the C26-C30 range.

Distinctive for carnauba wax is the high content of diesters as well as methoxycinnamic acid."
(Uwe Wolfmeier, Hans Schmidt, Franz-Leo Heinrichs, Georg Michalczyk, Wolfgang Payer, Wolfram Dietsche, Klaus Boehlke, Gerd Hohner, Josef Wildgruber "Waxes" in Ullmann's Encyclopedia of Industrial Chemistry, Wiley-VCH, Weinheim, 2002. doi:10.1002/14356007.a28_103)
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Do you think the average forum member understood your last post?
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If the average person does not understand your posts than what is the point of your communication. Does it make you feel worth while? Use your knowledge so most of us can understand it and benefit from it.
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If the average person does not understand your posts than what is the point of your communication. Does it make you feel worth while? Use your knowledge so most of us can understand it and benefit from it.
Why would you feed the troll? Gee...

Because trolls take away from productive work, the ideal response is to starve the troll of attention by ignoring it and going about your usual business. People being people, though, someone usually takes the bait, which is why trolls are so notorious.

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It's just car wax...
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Do you think the average forum member understood your last post?
I understood every word he was saying. He had an excellent post a few weeks back about all the Hoop La about Ceramic Coatings and Synthetic Polymers which is a bunch of Marketing Bull ****. I used his suggestion about UMicroLubrol Type 200 Fluid Silicone Oil. You will also need an Emulsifier to be added so it mixes well with Water. I ordered both products and followed his suggestion.
SHOOOOT this combination is by far the best and easiest application I have ever used and I have been waxing my "Pride and Joys" for over 50 years. I've tried all the best products available including Carnauba Wax which was my go to application for years!! PDMS is the only way to go now a days. It last longer than any Wax, Synthetic Polymers and Ceramic Coatings by far!! It's fairly inexpensive and a heck of a lot cheaper than all products I've Mentioned. Cj
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UMicroLubrol Type 200 Fluid Silicone Oil. You will also need an Emulsifier to be added so it mixes well with Water. I ordered both products and followed his suggestion.
SHOOOOT this combination is by far the best and easiest application I have ever used and I have been waxing my "Pride and Joys" for over 50 years. I've tried all the best products available including Carnauba Wax which was my go to application for years!! PDMS is the only way to go now a days. It last longer than any Wax, Synthetic Polymers and Ceramic Coatings by far!! It's fairly inexpensive and a heck of a lot cheaper than all products I've Mentioned. Cj
Would you be so kind as to share what you used as an emulsifier, the ratio, and how did you apply it?

Thanks in advance

Edit: you posted your method while I was typing my question, thank you.

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"Carnauba consists mostly of aliphatic esters (40 wt%), diesters of 4-hydroxycinnamic acid (21.0 wt%), omega-hydroxycarboxylic acids (13.0 wt%), and fatty alcohols (12 wt%).

The compounds are predominantly derived from acids and alcohols in the C26-C30 range.

Distinctive for carnauba wax is the high content of diesters as well as methoxycinnamic acid."
(Uwe Wolfmeier, Hans Schmidt, Franz-Leo Heinrichs, Georg Michalczyk, Wolfgang Payer, Wolfram Dietsche, Klaus Boehlke, Gerd Hohner, Josef Wildgruber "Waxes" in Ullmann's Encyclopedia of Industrial Chemistry, Wiley-VCH, Weinheim, 2002. doi:10.1002/14356007.a28_103)
REad the link you supplied. Although the link says carnauba P40, the product described is the P40 Without carnauba....Specifically THIS P40 formula https://www.amazon.com/Chemical-Guys.../dp/B001TJGJ6U
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Back on subject, I've switched over to Duragloss Aquawax. It's basically a polymer sealant and works great as a topper over your current favorite (mine: Meguiar's Ultimate paste). I dilute it by 20% for a detail spray and have used it full strength when claying a car (final pass):
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