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Can't say. What I can say is that, barring any mechanical breakdown my BMW will post similar 0-60 times well after the Tesla Model S is sideline at a charging station.
Yes ICE pulls similar 0-60 until the last "sip" of gasoline/diesel, while electric cars will enter limp mode before specific threshold, say, 10% of SoC.
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So the news says today the first 30 Model 3 will be delivered. It looks like Musk is on schedule this time.

Will prospective F30 buyers/lessees choose Model 3 instead?
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Old 07-28-2017, 04:31 PM
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Yes ICE pulls similar 0-60 until the last "sip" of gasoline/diesel, while electric cars will enter limp mode before specific threshold, say, 10% of SoC.
The depletion of the batteries energy will occur much, much sooner than the depletion of the gasoline in a gasoline engine.
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Iv'e been looking for charging places. I just don't see many. I saw one and it was in a parking lot. Clearly identified as such. Sign said reserved spot for electric vehicle. It did not matter what the sign said. The spot was up front and there was no access to it because of the gasoline powered vehicles all parked there. With the limited range and lack of charge stations I see it as a local to the store or out to dinner ride only at this time.
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You can find a charging station in as many locations as you can a gas station?
That it just a matter of time. A charging station is so much simpler to build and maintain.
You have to also take into account how much simpler an electric motor is vs ICE. Electric cars were just as popular early last century as early ICE cars. The issue was non existence of electric grid. Then Henry Ford came out with model T and an assembly line while Rockefeller provided fuel.
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Lets say there are charging stations everywhere. How long is a typical charge?
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That it just a matter of time.
Hence my statement:

"Part of that ways to go is a supporting infrastructure."

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Lets say there are charging stations everywhere. How long is a typical charge?
I think Super Chargers are supposed to charge in 30 minutes.
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The depletion of the batteries energy will occur much, much sooner than the depletion of the gasoline in a gasoline engine.
Where's the data on that?
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Old 07-28-2017, 05:09 PM
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The depletion of the batteries energy will occur much, much sooner than the depletion of the gasoline in a gasoline engine.
This article says full power was throttled 3 minutes into Nurburgring, for a 11-minute lap time.

http://insideevs.com/expected-tesla-...l-power-video/
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You can find a charging station in as many locations as you can a gas station?
Just find a mcdonalds/starbucks and plug the car in as if you were plugging in your laptop.
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Just find a mcdonalds/starbucks and plug the car in as if you were plugging in your laptop.
Let's say mcdonalds have [email protected] outlets, those would be 2.4kW.

In contrast Tesla surcharging is up to 120kW per car, with 480V.

So a quick charge for extra 170 miles in 30 minutes on a Tesla supercharger will require 1500 minutes(1+ days!) at mcdonalds.
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Let's say mcdonalds have [email protected] outlets, those would be 2.4kW.

In contrast Tesla surcharging is up to 120kW per car, with 480V.

So a quick charge for extra 170 miles in 30 minutes on a Tesla supercharger will require 1500 minutes(1+ days!) at mcdonalds.
But you'd be able to get it all for the price of a latte while using free wifi.

(I'm being facetious.)
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But you'd be able to get it all for the price of a latte while using free wifi.

(I'm being facetious.)
Some mcdonalds should be 24/7, so maybe 24 lattes will work?
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It's probably a great "around town" car. Because of range anxiety, I would probably stay away from trips where the round trip was going to be any more than 100-120 miles.

It cannot be one's only car, unless one is planning to rent a car for long distance drives.
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Old 07-28-2017, 06:11 PM
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It's probably a great "around town" car. Because of range anxiety, I would probably stay away from trips where the round trip was going to be any more than 100-120 miles.

It cannot be one's only car, unless one is planning to rent a car for long distance drives.
At 215-mile range for base Model 3 at 50% cost of Model S, the allure can be strong to some customers even as only car.
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Model 3 starts delivery, is that really the 3-series killer?

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I think Super Chargers are supposed to charge in 30 minutes.
The Super Chargers are only supposed to be used occasionally, like when you have an occasional long distance drive. Generally, as your routine, you should charge overnight at home or at work during the day.
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Where's the data on that?
Real life.

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Old 07-29-2017, 01:28 AM
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MT is all praise for the car's handling.
http://www.motortrend.com/cars/tesla...-drive-review/

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What's blanching, though, is the car's ride and handling. If anybody was expecting a typical boring electric sedan here, nope. The ride is Alfa Giulia (maybe even Quadrifoglio)–firm, and quickly, I'm carving Stunt Road like a Sochi Olympics giant slalomer, micrometering my swipes at the apexes.
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Nearly-nil body roll? Magic, I'm telling you. Magic.
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At speed, it gains a laser-alertness I haven't encountered before. By happenstance, associate road test editor Erick Ayapana had penciled me into a 2.0-liter Alfa Romeo Giulia to get here, and it feels like a wet sponge by comparison.
Now they have me salivating. These are things that may well make it a 3 series killer. Except I don't think you can lease one, so BMW is safe. For now.

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Old 07-29-2017, 01:32 AM
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It would be interesting to see side-by-side 1/4-mile drag race data between Model S in ludicrous mode versus Bugatti.
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Old 07-29-2017, 01:35 AM
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MT is all praise for the car's handling.
http://www.motortrend.com/cars/tesla...-drive-review/



Now they have me salivating. These are things that may well make it a 3 series killer. Except I don't think you can lease one, so BMW is safe. For now.
Wow it is indeed enticing. The news said 50 cars were produced so far, with 30 delivered to Tesla employees and VIP customers, and 20 others will be for product qual.

Maybe there will be a demo car at the factory store this weekend, if so festers will be informed!
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Lets say there are charging stations everywhere. How long is a typical charge?

Too long. But....[lotsa smoke]
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Old 07-29-2017, 04:38 AM
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The problem with these 0-60 times is the battery cannot sustain such hard acceleration. The Model S may be the fastest 0-60 car but it can't sustain it.

An inconvenient truth.

I like the Model 3....um....but battery tech inhibits.

That may, prob will, change by 2020 with the intro of autonomous driving. 'Cause by then somethin's just gotta give and, with autonomy, nobody needs neck snappin' accel. Nobody. Ain't comfy.
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The early impressions from Motor Trend and the like are very positive. Sounds like the car has a great driving feel -- handles great, the steering has some feel, and of course they're quick.

No one's going to buy one of those instead of an M3, but I bet plenty of people will get one of these instead of a 330i or an A4. And at the entry price point, high-end Accord/Camry buyers could reach for one as well.

Gotta give Tesla kudos for making it happen. They're not perfect but it's amazing what they've accomplished. Just like Apple...there were smartphones before the iPhone, but they all kinda sucked. Tesla figured out how to make electric cars interesting and desirable.
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Old 07-29-2017, 06:47 AM
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Will prospective F30 buyers/lessees choose Model 3 instead?
It goes head to head with a Toyota and a Chevy. It's a cheap car for people who were concerned about gas prices which were very high two years ago. Not sure who it is for now. If it's anything, it's a Prius killer.
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