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Old 03-06-2018, 06:57 AM
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11 Cars Owners Canít Wait To Get Rid Of

4 BMWs made the list of 11. Is Forbes biased in their assessment, or BMW has always had a bad reputation?

http://www3.forbes.com/business/11-c...get-rid-of/12/
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4 BMWs made the list of 11. Is Forbes biased in their assessment, or BMW has always had a bad reputation?



http://www3.forbes.com/business/11-c...get-rid-of/12/


I think the great strides that Audi & MB have made probably have alot to do with it.


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A one page listing; no clicking required:
https://247wallst.com/autos/2017/03/...to-get-rid-of/
or you can choose one with pics, a bit of advice, and clicky goodness:
http://www3.forbes.com/business/11-c...to-get-rid-of/
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A one page listing; no clicking required:
https://247wallst.com/autos/2017/03/...to-get-rid-of/
or you can choose one with pics, a bit of advice, and clicky goodness:
http://www3.forbes.com/business/11-c...to-get-rid-of/
Thank you for keeping me from having to go through the click-bait.
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Yeah, also 4 Series, X3, 5 Series, M-B E Class, and M-B C Class. On the other end of the scale: Nissan Vesra's an Subaru's.

I suspect repossession has a lot to do with all of those.

An old girlfriend's other use to get a new C Class every six months. She just liked the rush of having a new car and didn't have the math skills to realize the consequences.
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Yeah, also 4 Series, X3, 5 Series, M-B E Class, and M-B C Class. On the other end of the scale: Nissan Vesra's an Subaru's.

I suspect repossession has a lot to do with all of those.

An old girlfriend's other use to get a new C Class every six months. She just liked the rush of having a new car and didn't have the math skills to realize the consequences.
I bet you're right. I think a lot of people buy the most expensive car they can afford. Any little hiccup in the road and they are already stretched to their limit. One of my brothers always says that anyone can afford to buy a Mercedes but, not everyone can afford to keep a Mercedes.
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I bet you're right. I think a lot of people buy the most expensive car they can afford. Any little hiccup in the road and they are already stretched to their limit. One of my brothers always says that anyone can afford to buy a Mercedes but, not everyone can afford to keep a Mercedes.
... Old girlfriend's mother, not other... My "m" is wearing out on my laptop.

Although, having a girlfriend with a female "other" would be sort of cool, if they were both hotties. With a little luck, that'd be like having two girlfriends without one being mad about the other one.

55 to 60% of new BMW's in the U.S. are leased. A friend of mine's a serial BMW leaser. A few years ago a hurricane did about $5k damage to his roof and that was his deductible. He had to borrow the $5k and paying it back put him in a bind. He couldn't temporarily suspend his 401(k) contributions until his cash flow improved, because he wasn't making any 401(k) contributions. But, God takes care of idiots. His take-home pension will be about 85% of his take home pay, but without Social Security. His house will be paid off just as he retires, so he'll not miss a beat on his spending.
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I will never buy another turbocharged car. I currently lease an Sti. I lease because I only drive 5Kmiles/yr. Turbos don't last due to excessive heat and are expensive to replace. By leasing, I'm covered by powertrain warranty for the entire lease period.
My GTI's turbo (I owned car) didn't last 50,000 miles before blowing. Car was babied.
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Dealers have ringers, buying BMWs then returning them back to the dealers who sell them as certified vehicles at a higher profit? Being high volume dealers, they get more M profitable cars to sell.
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I will never buy another turbocharged car. I currently lease an Sti. I lease because I only drive 5Kmiles/yr. Turbos don't last due to excessive heat and are expensive to replace. By leasing, I'm covered by powertrain warranty for the entire lease period.
My GTI's turbo (I owned car) didn't last 50,000 miles before blowing. Car was babied.
Turbochargers are here to stay. Chevy Cruzes and Honda Civics all have them now.

Synthetic oil and water jackets have greatly improved turbocharger durability.

I make a point to slowly warm my car up as low speeds, and end each trip with either low speed or idle time (e.g. at an interstate rest stop). We live about 400 feet from a U.S. highway with a 55 MPH speed limit. She leaves the driveway, gets to the highway, and then romps on it. I contrast, I drive out the back of our neighborhood and up our towns main street, about 1.3 miles back to the highway. I get "oil temperature" by the time I get there. I come home the same way, to cool everything down before parking. Frau Putzer's X3 is being built this week. I'm going to have to train her to do the same as I do.

I don't trust anybody but a BMW dealership or myself to change my oil, because, because of the chance of some moron putting in conventional oil instead of synthetic. A friend of Frau Putzer has an E39 530i that was her late husband's. It's too much car for her to maintain. He worked from home, so the car doesn't have the typical sun damage that a 15 year old car has in Floriduh. I was going to buy it as a beater until I looked down the engine's oil fill hole. It was sludged up bad. Somebody, either her husband or a mechanic, either skipped an oil change or two, or used rot-gut conventional oil in it. I'd suspect the latter. If that car had a turbocharger, it would have been toast. My cousin fried a turbocharger in his MINI. That's a data point. But, I suspect it was his *********gery that was the underlying cause.

Yeah, you're avoiding post-warranty repair costs. But, you're also on a perpetual ride on the new-car-depreciation merry-go-round. Leasing doesn't get you our of new-car-depreciation. You're spending a dollar to save a quarter.

I've posted this 1,000,000 times on various BF board. It's a worksheet of my to-date and projected costs for my 535i. I look up the KBB values of my cars on their purchase anniversaries, and I track all the other costs. The first three years of ownership (maintenance, depreciation, capital costs (interest), and property tax (zero in Floriduh), MDI&P, ended up being about $1.00/mile. I'm budgeting $2500/12.5k mile year in maintenance and repair costs for the second four years and 50k miles. Because the new-car depreciation is over, my MDI&P will be about $0.50/mile. I'll save about $25k by keeping my 535i eight years and 100k miles instead of four years and 50k miles. I might have some large, unexpected repair costs along the way. But, I have a $25k buffer to work with.

Your posts don't say where you are in MA. But, Boston has the worst parking of any place I've ever been. Parking lot wounds and road salt work against keeping a car ten years up there.
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I will never buy another turbocharged car. I currently lease an Sti. I lease because I only drive 5Kmiles/yr. Turbos don't last due to excessive heat and are expensive to replace. By leasing, I'm covered by powertrain warranty for the entire lease period.
My GTI's turbo (I owned car) didn't last 50,000 miles before blowing. Car was babied.
As someone else noted, you likely won't be able to buy another new car then.... Everything is going to be FI going forward. That's why I purchased my GTS when I did, because I knew Porsche was going turbo with all future models of the 911. Maybe the GT3 survives for another life cycle, but who knows.

As far as there only being 4 BMW's on the list, I don't think I saw the X1 which has to be the biggest piece of garbage at its price point. My girlfriend has one and it is such a brutal vehicle. The steering is atrocious, the turbo lag is horrendous. The fit and finish is an embarrassment.
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