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Old 07-23-2019, 09:29 PM
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60k is coming up on my 2014 x1. I searched around but couldn't find 1) a list of recommended service items 2) a range of price for those services. What is your experience/suggestion.
I am thinking of going to an indie because of obvious reasons.
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Old 07-24-2019, 04:40 PM
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Many of BMW's fluids are considered "lifetime". This does NOT mean the life of the vehicle, rather, it means the average life expectancy before a brand-new BMW owner considers buying another brand-new BMW.

60K miles ? Let's put it this way. I'm getting my 2014 X1 serviced this year at the dealership. It has ~75K miles. Here's what I'm getting done:

- Oil change
- Battery replacement and coding
- Transmission filter and fluid change
- Coolant flush (-45 degrees would be better as it gets down to that here)
- Brake fluid change
- Power steering fluid change
- New front windshield

Total cost from the dealer is going to be ~$3,300.00 (the damn windshield alone is $1,195.00...... damn it......).
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Old 07-24-2019, 06:03 PM
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Here is a maintenance sheet regarding the E84 X1.
It talks about the regular CBS services, but also has blurbs about sparkplugs and such.

I did all my powertrain fluids (spill and fill) at 50,000 Kms (31K miles)
I'm sure it was way too early, but I just needed something to do that day.
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Old 07-25-2019, 11:01 AM
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I did all my powertrain fluids (spill and fill) at 50,000 Kms (31K miles)
For your powertrain fluids did you have to do any programming or 'resetting adaptations'? I'm looking to do a DIY drain and fill for transmission, transfer box, front and rear differentials.
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Old 07-25-2019, 11:09 AM
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For your powertrain fluids did you have to do any programming or 'resetting adaptations'? I'm looking to do a DIY drain and fill for transmission, transfer box, front and rear differentials.
FWIW, when the dealer does transmission fluid and filter change, they reset transmission adaptations.
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Old 07-25-2019, 08:23 PM
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Thank you for your responses. Mind telling me what adaptation values are?
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Old 07-25-2019, 08:55 PM
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Many of BMW's fluids are considered "lifetime". This does NOT mean the life of the vehicle, rather, it means the average life expectancy before a brand-new BMW owner considers buying another brand-new BMW.

60K miles ? Let's put it this way. I'm getting my 2014 X1 serviced this year at the dealership. It has ~75K miles. Here's what I'm getting done:

- Oil change
- Battery replacement and coding
- Transmission filter and fluid change
- Coolant flush (-45 degrees would be better as it gets down to that here)
- Brake fluid change
- Power steering fluid change
- New front windshield

Total cost from the dealer is going to be ~$3,300.00 (the damn windshield alone is $1,195.00...... damn it......).
Definitely not a new windshield! I get rock chips once every month
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Old 07-26-2019, 12:18 AM
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I'm not aware of any transmission reset adaptations, but there is a transfer case reset. Which I did with my laptop and the Rheingold ISTA software program. IIRC, I think the offset was around .03 degrees or something.
Front and rear diffs are just simple drains and fills.
I only drained about 4 L out of the transmission (not even 50%??), so it wasn't a complete flush.
It's a nasty job on the 35i, not sure if it's similar on the 28i.
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Thank you for your responses. Mind telling me what adaptation values are?
Like what the numerical values are when reset ? Or an explanation of what the adaptions are for ?

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Definitely not a new windshield! I get rock chips once every month
Tell me about it But it's cracked all the way across the bottom now and it's spider webbing everywhere. There's no saving this windshield
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Old 07-26-2019, 12:12 PM
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Thank you for your responses. Mind telling me what adaptation values are?
Like what the numerical values are when reset ? Or an explanation of what the adaptions are for ?
The explanation.
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Old 07-26-2019, 03:00 PM
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Many of BMW's fluids are considered "lifetime". This does NOT mean the life of the vehicle, rather, it means the average life expectancy before a brand-new BMW owner considers buying another brand-new BMW.

60K miles ? Let's put it this way. I'm getting my 2014 X1 serviced this year at the dealership. It has ~75K miles. Here's what I'm getting done:

- Oil change
- Battery replacement and coding
- Transmission filter and fluid change
- Coolant flush (-45 degrees would be better as it gets down to that here)
- Brake fluid change
- Power steering fluid change
- New front windshield

Total cost from the dealer is going to be ~$3,300.00 (the damn windshield alone is $1,195.00...... damn it......).

what happened to the windshield. if you have insurance that is usually covered.
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Old 07-26-2019, 03:46 PM
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The explanation.
Adaptations are "learned" adjustments that the transmission control module makes to shifting and shift points. Basically, the car "learns" how you drive, whether it's mostly in stop-and-go traffic, if it's rural, if it's always highway, etc, and makes minor tweaks and adjustments to the transmission and how it behaves, to best suit your most common driving situation. It takes ~1,500 miles, if I recall correctly, to re-learn adaptations.

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what happened to the windshield. if you have insurance that is usually covered.
Not in Canada it isn't. Front windshield is ALWAYS exempt. You can buy the endorsement, but last time I checked, for a Ford Escape is was ~$400.00 a year. Not really worth it. The issue is that most Canadian jurisdictions, in the snowy winter, are putting down a sand / gravel mix on the roads to increase traction for vehicles. This means that tires are constantly kicking up small rocks and throwing them at you. See attached for a picture of the average Canadian car after being driven for 2 or 3 winters.

It's one of the reasons I don't drive my black 328i all that much in the wintertime.
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Old 07-26-2019, 08:07 PM
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Adaptations are "learned" adjustments that the transmission control module makes to shifting and shift points. Basically, the car "learns" how you drive, whether it's mostly in stop-and-go traffic, if it's rural, if it's always highway, etc, and makes minor tweaks and adjustments to the transmission and how it behaves, to best suit your most common driving situation. It takes ~1,500 miles, if I recall correctly, to re-learn adaptations.
Gotcha. Can I somehow save my current adaptation values so that I can set them back to these or I can just not reset them after doing a fluid flush?
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Gotcha. Can I somehow save my current adaptation values so that I can set them back to these or I can just not reset them after doing a fluid flush?
Hrmmmmmmm, I don't know if you can save the values or manually re-input them ? Someone with better knowledge of INPA / ISTA can hopefully chime in. I know that with Carly, it can't be done on an E90 (never tired on the E85, to be honest). I suspect you could probably simply not reset it ?

I have no evidence for this, but I suspect that adaptations get reset because the transmission's mechanical behaviour can change when you replace the fluid and filter. For example if it's shifting rough or not properly because the fluid is super old or the filter is too contaminated, then changing those things would result in a material change in how the transmission physically operates in various driving scenarios, hence the need / desire to reset the adaptations ?

Again, hopefully someone with some more knowledge can come forward.
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Gotcha. Can I somehow save my current adaptation values so that I can set them back to these or I can just not reset them after doing a fluid flush?
Hrmmmmmmm, I don't know if you can save the values or manually re-input them ? Someone with better knowledge of INPA / ISTA can hopefully chime in. I know that with Carly, it can't be done on an E90 (never tired on the E85, to be honest). I suspect you could probably simply not reset it ?

I have no evidence for this, but I suspect that adaptations get reset because the transmission's mechanical behaviour can change when you replace the fluid and filter. For example if it's shifting rough or not properly because the fluid is super old or the filter is too contaminated, then changing those things would result in a material change in how the transmission physically operates in various driving scenarios, hence the need / desire to reset the adaptations ?

Again, hopefully someone with some more knowledge can come forward.
Thanks for the clarification.
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Old 08-26-2019, 11:54 AM
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Here is a maintenance sheet regarding the E84 X1.
It talks about the regular CBS services, but also has blurbs about sparkplugs and such.

I did all my powertrain fluids (spill and fill) at 50,000 Kms (31K miles)
I'm sure it was way too early, but I just needed something to do that day.
I was just reading through the pdf posted and was wondering about this:

"Emission Control
Components
Oxygen sensor 120,000 miles
Oxygen sensor(if eligible for the California Emissions Warranty) 150,000 miles

Oxygen Sensor Service: The oxygen sensor
deteriorates strictly on a mileage basis and must
therefore be replaced to maximize vehicle fuel
economy and minimize exhaust pollution."

What is the deal with O2 sensors, should they be replaced at these mileages regardless of symptoms? Is this a gainful task to do or a few hundred bucks you will never see again?
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Old 08-26-2019, 02:08 PM
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I was just reading through the pdf posted and was wondering about this:

"Emission Control
Components
Oxygen sensor 120,000 miles
Oxygen sensor(if eligible for the California Emissions Warranty) 150,000 miles

Oxygen Sensor Service: The oxygen sensor
deteriorates strictly on a mileage basis and must
therefore be replaced to maximize vehicle fuel
economy and minimize exhaust pollution."

What is the deal with O2 sensors, should they be replaced at these mileages regardless of symptoms? Is this a gainful task to do or a few hundred bucks you will never see again?
I mean, that's almost 200K km..... If an O2 sensor is the biggest thing you need to worry about at 200K km, you're doing pretty good me thinks
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thing you need to worry about at 200K km, you're doing pretty good me thinks
Yeah I was actually wondering why they even mention it in the literature. In their eyes the life of the car is 100k miles or 160k km and then they wash their hands of it.


I think if and when I get to that point I would only change it the engine were running poorly or the light goes off. Maybe if it were getting really bad MPG's but that could be caused by so many other things at that point too.
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