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Old 11-11-2017, 08:51 PM
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Complete engine failure

Our BMW X1 2012 just stoped on us while driving on the hwy the car has only 65000km the engine oil pump failed and timing chain jumped causing engine to fail, no warning so now the engine needs to be replaced they quoted us at Georgian BMW Barrie On. $25,000 canadian(twenty five thousand) and BMW will not replace the engine. This is happening with other models the Internet is full of threads on this on other models so it's obviously a defective engine with no quality assurance. We could have had a very bad accident. We are loyal costumers this is our secound Bmw and I can't believe that BMW will not stand by their product and do the rigth thing by fixing the car, instead they are trying to make more money by charging us this ridiculous amount more that the car itself. This is our ultimate nightmare experience!
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Old 11-12-2017, 10:58 AM
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Could you give us more info like type, brand, and miles of oil changes?

Also, how is car driven, and which X1 model?

Any other maintenance issues?
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Old 11-12-2017, 05:05 PM
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Old 11-13-2017, 12:12 PM
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Sorry to hear about your experience, I have the same year (believed yours is the same x28i as they only have that X1 in canada in 2012), almost the same mileage as your ride just done oil change at 'stealer'

Appreciate if you can share more info info as others have mentioned. Is your car stock setup or with modification?

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Old 11-13-2017, 01:28 PM
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Oil pump failures are rare, as are timing chain issues. I'm also interested to know how often the oil / filter was changed and what type of oil / filter was used. Aside from a random failure, the only thing that typically causes an oil pump to fail is if it ingests something.
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Old 11-13-2017, 10:23 PM
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The questions about the oil changes are good ones.

To the OP.. Damn! sucky to hear about a blown engine.
Normally you would have to drive over a big rock, smash out your oil pan and then drive your car for an hour.
or drive through a 5 foot puddle of water, get water in the intake and bend some piston rods.
You would think an blown engine would be something drastic, not a timing chain.

So? What causes a timing chain to fail? Simple wear over time?
Perhaps.
We know it needs oil lubrication to function properly.
Was the timing chain a bad design from the beginning and it can't take the heat?
or are the oil interval changes too long?

Hopefully BMW, or your insurance will help you out.
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Old 11-14-2017, 06:52 AM
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Our N20 has known problem of timing chain alignment guides, and subsequent stretch, and valves bang the pistons.

I've heard Dealers talk about oil maintenance, but I think that's diversion.

It seems there was a revised guide installed around 2015.

This has happened many times and should be recall of guides, but as a little guy I'd go find a body totaled X1 with N20, and buy it salvage value for the engine and maybe wheels, etc.

Lots of WET totaled cars in US South after hurricane season...
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Old 11-15-2017, 06:19 AM
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There is a class action going on, see

https://www.strosbergco.com/class-actions/bmw/
http://www.newswire.ca/news-releases...651301863.html
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Old 11-15-2017, 10:31 AM
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Great I sign up thanks 4llr

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Old 11-15-2017, 11:20 AM
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The actual issue is the material BMW engineers chose for the long plastic timing chain guides. Over time and at about the mileage the OP currently has reports have been pouring in that the plastic guides are disintegrating which allows plastic crumbs and debris to be caught by the screen over the oil pump pickup. The oil pickup screen soon gets completely blocked which then starves the engine for oil and the engine fails.

BMW is putting a lot of folks in a tough spot looking at a $25,000 repair bill on a 5 or 6 year old car. We've also had reports here from owners of 5 or 6 year old 550i's with seized engines and a quote of $40K to replace. Many of these decide their best option is to part the car out.
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Old 11-15-2017, 05:17 PM
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Wow, 25k for a 4 cylinder or 40k for an 8 cylinder engine??? Here I thought the GT-R transmission replacement cost was insane. My brand new 35i xdrive CAR was only 36k+tax
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Old 11-16-2017, 12:34 PM
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The actual issue is the material BMW engineers chose for the long plastic timing chain guides. Over time and at about the mileage the OP currently has reports have been pouring in that the plastic guides are disintegrating which allows plastic crumbs and debris to be caught by the screen over the oil pump pickup. The oil pickup screen soon gets completely blocked which then starves the engine for oil and the engine fails.
Is there any preventative maintenance that can be done to avoid this?
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Old 11-16-2017, 12:51 PM
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Yes, but it's not very practical. Learn to recognize the sound of a noisy timing chain and have the chain and guides replaced. The timing chain will loosen and become noisy when the plastic starts breaking off the guides. There are lots of audio clips of a noisy N20 timing chain on several forums here.
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Old 11-22-2017, 11:56 AM
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I got a letter from BMW today extending the warranty on the timing chain and oil pump drive chain to 7/70000. My 2014 falls outside the perimeters as I have 128,000. Called BMWNA and was told call if you have a problem. Thanks BMW
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Old 11-22-2017, 12:11 PM
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BMW Canada didn't extend **** so far, it's probably coming soon, considering the class action, as well as BMW USA extended the warranty.

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I got a letter from BMW today extending the warranty on the timing chain and oil pump drive chain to 7/70000. My 2014 falls outside the perimeters as I have 128,000. Called BMWNA and was told call if you have a problem. Thanks BMW
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Old 11-23-2017, 04:15 AM
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I hope BMW Canada gives us the same!!
I just bought my 2015 x1 (still has the old timing chain guide) and I already want to dump it.
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Old 11-23-2017, 04:46 AM
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It's a nice car, don't dump it. I think this timing chain issue is overblown on the forums. Plenty of N20 on the road going strong

Just hope BMW Canada step up for those who were unlucky

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I hope BMW Canada gives us the same!!
I just bought my 2015 x1 (still has the old timing chain guide) and I already want to dump it.
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Old 11-23-2017, 03:35 PM
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I hope BMW Canada gives us the same!!
I just bought my 2015 x1 (still has the old timing chain guide) and I already want to dump it.
Are you sure, from what I've read everything built March 2013 or later has the new timing chain guide.
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Old 11-24-2017, 03:53 AM
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I'm sure. Had it verified. Car was manufactured in June of 2015 I believe. Still the old guide...
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Old 11-24-2017, 07:32 AM
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I'm sure. Had it verified. Car was manufactured in June of 2015 I believe. Still the old guide...
I wouldn't think so, but I wonder if the 2014 date is only for US cars
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Old 04-24-2019, 09:50 AM
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Wow, this is crazy. I had the exact same issue. I bought my 2012 BMW X1 in Fall 2017 with 85000 kms on it. On day 30, I was driving home from work and the engine completely seized on the highway. Had to get the car towed 700+ kms to the Audi Dealership where I purchased it. I had put a total of 3000 kms on the vehicle. 2 months later, there is another used N20 engine put in it (55000kms on this one). Luckily, the Audi dealership was awesome. They covered 75% of the cost of parts and labour but it still ended up costing me about $4000. Investigation turned out that mine was also the timing chain. I have also signed up for the class action lawsuit. Thanks for the info!
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Old 04-26-2019, 08:55 PM
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Is the 25k including labor, or is that just for the engine? That blows my mind for anything but a BNIB (in retail speak brand new in box) engine and even then... ITS AN ENGINE.

Edit also crazy thread revival
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Old 04-27-2019, 09:43 AM
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Is the 25k including labor, or is that just for the engine? That blows my mind for anything but a BNIB (in retail speak brand new in box) engine and even then... ITS AN ENGINE.

Edit also crazy thread revival
That's Canadian dollars though. In USD, that's ~$18K

From my understanding, if one has a good dealer and one is willing to be reasonable and polite when dealing with BMW NA, cost sharing seems very likely.

While widely reported, the probability of this failure is still pretty low. Yes, if it happens to you, this fact won't matter to you whatsoever, but it's still worth noting that it's not like 50% of N20s are going to experience this problem before 60K miles.
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Old 05-11-2019, 06:25 PM
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I drove up to my indy shop and there was a black X1 out front with the hood up. I look under the hood and thought what the hell is that, doesn't even look like an engine. the indy guy said it was toast and the worst engine BMW has ever put on the road. He has had 17 years with BMW and drives a retro rod 330, I trust him with both our cars when the job required is by me.
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Wow, this is crazy. I had the exact same issue. I bought my 2012 BMW X1 in Fall 2017 with 85000 kms on it. On day 30, I was driving home from work and the engine completely seized on the highway. Had to get the car towed 700+ kms to the Audi Dealership where I purchased it. I had put a total of 3000 kms on the vehicle. 2 months later, there is another used N20 engine put in it (55000kms on this one). Luckily, the Audi dealership was awesome. They covered 75% of the cost of parts and labour but it still ended up costing me about $4000. Investigation turned out that mine was also the timing chain. I have also signed up for the class action lawsuit. Thanks for the info!

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