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Time w/ this 340 is almost up. RWD, 6MT, MPPSK, and adaptive suspension. My favorite car thus far but I've said from day 1 that my old 320 w/ the 704 suspension felt firmer. I put on H&R springs which helped but not the same. If I were to do it over again, might've gone w/ the M-Performance suspension.

Weighing my options to order soon, the G20 M340i is all the rage these days. Drove one and the power is there but I'd miss the transmission (lost cause) and exhaust note. M2C is too small. M3 Pure still isn't definate and probably a year away. Anyone have any experience w/ the G30 540i w/ MPPSK? DHP on a M550i still felt floaty. Perhaps Dinan springs on a 540 w/ the 704 suspension? Any other worthwhile considerations?
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Time w/ this 340 is almost up. RWD, 6MT, MPPSK, and adaptive suspension. My favorite car thus far but I've said from day 1 that my old 320 w/ the 704 suspension felt firmer. I put on H&R springs which helped but not the same. If I were to do it over again, might've gone w/ the M-Performance suspension.



Weighing my options to order soon, the G20 M340i is all the rage these days. Drove one and the power is there but I'd miss the transmission (lost cause) and exhaust note. M2C is too small. M3 Pure still isn't definate and probably a year away. Anyone have any experience w/ the G30 540i w/ MPPSK? DHP on a M550i still felt floaty. Perhaps Dinan springs on a 540 w/ the 704 suspension? Any other worthwhile considerations?


Get Hyundai G70. Yes it came to that point.


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PS: We have one of each in the garage, and the driving experience is completely different on the 540 vs. the 340. I LOVE the 540 for long trips (e.g. to Caribou Maine to see clients, 6 to 7 hours each way) or for commuting on the Expressway. But it's a very, very different beast than the 340. For hooning around the South Shore on windy 2 lanes, I'll take the 340 every time. (Both of ours have the 704, so it's as apples-to-apples as you can get).
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PS: We have one of each in the garage, and the driving experience is completely different on the 540 vs. the 340. I LOVE the 540 for long trips (e.g. to Caribou Maine to see clients, 6 to 7 hours each way) or for commuting on the Expressway. But it's a very, very different beast than the 340. For hooning around the South Shore on windy 2 lanes, I'll take the 340 every time. (Both of ours have the 704, so it's as apples-to-apples as you can get).
Thank you for the comparison. The G30 doesn't "feel" as heavy as the F10 did, but the weight shift can still be felt in a corner, esp when compared to an F30 or G20. Search continues.

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Get Hyundai G70.
+2 for Genesis G70. Much better value than any F30, G20, or G30.
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+2 for Genesis G70. Much better value than any F30, G20, or G30.


Itís not value. It is the fact that they figured electric steering feel, that has manual, LSD. That should be 3 series.


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Itís not value. It is the fact that they figured electric steering feel, that has manual, LSD. That should be 3 series.
They also managed to attain high first year quality and design user friendly controls, too.

Combine those things with what you mentioned, then add a better warranty & customer care initiatives and lower pricing, and it's clear Genesis G70 is the segment's new benchmark.
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They also managed to attain high first year quality and design user friendly controls, too.

Combine those things with what you mentioned, then add a better warranty & customer care initiatives and lower pricing, and it's clear Genesis G70 is the segment's new benchmark.
It sounds like a good idea to test drive a G70 then. MT puts G70 in front of G20 but behind Model 3.


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It sounds like a good idea to test drive a G70 then. MT puts G70 in front of G20 but behind Model 3.





https://www.motortrend.com/cars/tesl...mparison-test/


I am not sure how Tesla fits into vehicles that point is to be analog as much as possible.
G70 is developed by former number 2 in M division. Hyundai basically wanted show off car to built up image. Yes, it is still so so inside etc. But getting manual with LSD in RWD package is really something today.


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I am not sure how Tesla fits into vehicles that point is to be analog as much as possible.
G70 is developed by former number 2 in M division. Hyundai basically wanted show off car to built up image. Yes, it is still so so inside etc. But getting manual with LSD in RWD package is really something today.
Inclusion of Tesla Model 3 in the comparison test that namelessman shared was Motor Trend's idea. I don't get the rationale either (beyond clickbait tactics), but that's a question for Motor Trend editors.

The former BMW M exec that you noted is Albert Biermann. Here's an excerpt from an interview that Wards Auto did with him during the CES 2019 show:

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"WARDS: When you came from BMW M, was part of your mission to make Hyundais, Kias and Genesis vehicles more like German cars?

BIERMANN: I think that happened accidentally because I am German (laughs). The starting point was clearly to focus on high-performance cars, but when they got to know me a little better and what other things I did before in my career, we started talking about running the whole test division, because I did a lot of those things before. If you drive a G70 or a Stinger, it feels maybe a little bit German, and thatís not a bad thing. With those cars, I took a little more leadership than with others because I had a clear idea of how those cars should drive."
BTW, I agree with you about the interior of G70. The entire compact executive car category is known for interiors that are more style than substance. This is one area in which stepping up to a G30 or similar midsize executive car from another manufacturer would be worth it for customers who want a luxurious, high quality interior.
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Inclusion of Tesla Model 3 in the comparison test that namelessman shared was Motor Trend's idea. I don't get the rationale either (beyond clickbait tactics), but that's a question for Motor Trend editors.



The former BMW M exec that you noted is Albert Biermann. Here's an excerpt from an interview that Wards Auto did with him during the CES 2019 show:







BTW, I agree with you about the interior of G70. The entire compact executive car category is known for interiors that are more style than substance. This is one area in which stepping up to a G30 or similar midsize executive car from another manufacturer would be worth it for customers who want a luxurious, high quality interior.
It canít possibly be worse than a Tesla 3 interior. Have you been in one? Thin, stiff seat, thin plastic everywhere, and no details or displays of any kind except for the ginormous screen.
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It canít possibly be worse than a Tesla 3 interior. Have you been in one? Thin, stiff seat, thin plastic everywhere, and no details or displays of any kind except for the ginormous screen.


Tesla is giant iPad. It is built for people who want to take their iPod on the road.


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Inclusion of Tesla Model 3 in the comparison test that namelessman shared was Motor Trend's idea. I don't get the rationale either (beyond clickbait tactics), but that's a question for Motor Trend editors.



The former BMW M exec that you noted is Albert Biermann. Here's an excerpt from an interview that Wards Auto did with him during the CES 2019 show:







BTW, I agree with you about the interior of G70. The entire compact executive car category is known for interiors that are more style than substance. This is one area in which stepping up to a G30 or similar midsize executive car from another manufacturer would be worth it for customers who want a luxurious, high quality interior.


We will see what happens with Hyundai. Lexus had first IS that was good. Infinity had G35. But they all gave up chasing BMW in BMWís game. So, we will see is G70 just another first gen. IS or they want to sustain effort. Now that might give birth to potentially interesting car.


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It can't possibly be worse than a Tesla 3 interior. Have you been in one? Thin, stiff seat, thin plastic everywhere, and no details or displays of any kind except for the ginormous screen.
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Good points about Tesla Model 3. I have been in one of those and agree that its interior design and quality would be below par in a $18,000 new car, let alone at Model 3's actual price point.

I should clarify that G70's interior design is actually one of my favorites among compact executive sedans and IMO, it's as good as any in the segment. Just not bona fide luxury car caliber. That's not a big deal for me, but customers who are seeking a luxurious interior will probably be disappointed with compact executive cars from any brand.
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Interesting, didn't know the G70 could be had w/ a 6mt & LSD. Looks like only on the 4 cylinder.
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One local dealer has 3 G70 on showroom floor, one 2.0T AT and two 3.3T twin turbo. There was no test drive available, as the dealer tried to sell them with $5k markup over MSRP(but sales said $5k below MSRP might be doable too. ).

The rear seats are tighter than F30, and the trunk is smaller than F30.

The AT shift knob is old school D/N/R setup, that by itself can be deal breaker for me.

Another interesting thing under the hood of 3.3T is that, there is a 2-piece strut bar that connects from strut towers to both sides of front radiator/fan(pic at middle of following article), the 2 pieces do not even form a triangle for strength ....

https://www.cnet.com/roadshow/review...is-g70-review/

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