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The next generation 5 Series, chassis code G30, arrives at dealers in February 2017. Looking like a scaled down 7 Series and riding on the CLAR platform, the new 5 Series will have a focus on lightweight and sporty performance. Engines options will come from BMW's new B family for the 530 and 540 and a turbocharged V8 for the M550i. Read more about the 2017 5 Series

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Old 08-25-2019, 09:21 AM
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G30 Integral Active Steering (IAS) option code 2VH

It has been a while since there has been a good thread discussion of Integral Active Steering on the G30. Now that the G30 is in its fourth model year I would like to gather more definitive owner feedback on this option from G30 owners that have it.

Owners who have this option on BMW SUV's seem to be very much happy with this feature. At $1150 added cost on a 540i build, the option is not extremely costly.

With IAS being a relatively rare feature I have no way to test it out before ticking that box on my order.

Does IAS enhance the driving experience on a M Sport 540i with the 704 suspension, or does it feel too artificial? And if you have it, would you put it on your next build again?
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Old 08-25-2019, 12:18 PM
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Good questions, I am anxious to hear feedback as well. I am on the hunt for a car, and seen this option pop up occasionally (M550s). As one who hangs onto a car a looooong time, two of my BMW technician friends advised that this has the potential to be an expensive option to maintain or repair when the car gets way up there in mileage. They suggested (for my situation) to avoid...but admitted it is largely an unknown.
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Old 08-25-2019, 12:37 PM
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I'm not so sure I would do it on a long term purchase either... But I will be leasing 3 yrs and it is decision time on IAS.
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Old 08-25-2019, 12:44 PM
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Driving a 630GT D mostly on highways at around 100mph, I like the ias a lot.
Maneuvering the car is nice having it, the big car acts a lot smaller than my previous non ias 5 series.
I will get it again. And all the other suspension extras BMW is offering.
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Old 08-25-2019, 02:27 PM
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I chose IAS, without testing it, when I ordered my 540i and absolutely love it. Would definitely order it again. Turning radius for the car is great and smoothness around corners is something you will definitely notice. I've taken corners at quite some speed and it surprises me how far you have to push the car to make it protest. Apparently the stability control combined with the IAS will also help steer the rear if the tail slides out. I'd love to get onto a track or a skid pan with it to really get a feel of where the limits are. Would have been great to have the option to be available with the active roll stabilisation, but we didn't get that choice on the 540i here.
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Old 08-26-2019, 09:56 AM
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I have it. I love it. I don't know that it's really an option that will enhance the performance feel of your car, but if you're the kind of car owner that drives in parking lots, you'll never regret getting it.
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Old 08-26-2019, 11:27 AM
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BMW categorizes IAS as a convenience option, not a performance option. The technology seems to never be on dealership cars, only ordered vehicles. I think everyone drives in parking lots, and imagine it is tremendously useful in those situations. I just want to be sure that this option does not make the car feel "strange" at speed, like the tail is ice-skating around. I chose the 540i for is sporty reputation, and I don't want anything to detract from the enjoyment of my 704 suspension.
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Old 08-26-2019, 05:57 PM
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I have IAS. Makes a world of difference. I endorse it. Wouldn't order a G30 without it.
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Every owner who has had the features love it. Every owner who has not won't miss it. I have it in my 5 and 7. It's one of the top reason I bought large BMWs. You will not notice it unless you push your cars a little bit. Particularly with the the IAS and ARS combo, switching lanes on the freeway at, near, or above triple digits is effortless. These are the most understated features in a non M car.
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I have 1 simple question on this option.

What is the turning radius with IAS, and what is the turning radius without it?

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Not easy to find information but under 60km/hr ias would deminish the turning radius by 1 meter, So from 12.3 to 11.3 meters for my car.
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My $0.02: I've owned multiple 5ers (1 x E39, 3 x E60, 1 x F10, 1 x G30).

Two of my E60s had it, one didn't. Loved two of those cars (and still own one of them as my DD, and thought "meh" about the third; guess which one was the odd one out.

Have owned the F10 for 8 years w/o IAS and really do not like the car. Boring, lumbering, and numb to drive. Replacing it in two weeks when our new G30 arrives. Can't wait.

The G30 has it, and I loved it while in Germany on our ED. Test drove several G30 with and w/o IAS and all of the different suspension options before purchasing. Without IAS the G30 felt as fat and numb as the F10. With it, the car felt more alive and fun to drive. For me, IAS is a must option on the 5ers.

Let's face the truth, a 5er is a big car. They are sporty and super fun to drive, but they are big and heavy. IAS makes the car feel way more nimble, lighter, and sporty than the same car without it, particularly at lower speeds and when carving tight corners. Completely changes (in a good way) the dynamic feel of the car. I'll never own a 5er that doesn't have it.
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Old 09-04-2019, 07:57 AM
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Let's face the truth, a 5er is a big car. They are sporty and super fun to drive, but they are big and heavy.
I can never understand why people say things like this. The G30 is (within an inch or so all the way around) the same size as my outgoing car, a Ford Fusion Sport, which is NOT a large car.

My incoming F90 weighs no more than 100-150 pounds more than my Fusion, despite having a V8, significantly better sound deadening (which adds a lot of weight) and bigger tires. The 540i weighs significantly less than my Fusion, while having more power.

The F90 is lighter than many competitors. The MB E63 S has a curb weight of 4515 and the F90 is ~4370.

Does the G30/F90 weigh more than a 5 series of 20 years ago? Of course it does, but most cars do so they can meet safety requirements and consumer demands. You can't have a high performance car (vs others in it's class) that rides well and can still handle well without weight.

Does the car weigh more than other cars with more performance, sure, it weighs more than a Camaro ZL1, but the ZL1 is a 2 door noisy coupe.
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I can never understand why people say things like this. The G30 is (within an inch or so all the way around) the same size as my outgoing car, a Ford Fusion Sport, which is NOT a large car.
Because the 5ers have gotten objectively bigger and heavier over the last several evolutions. Thankfully the G30 got lighter than the F10, but it's still bigger, and that changes the physics.

The F82 M4 is now about the same dimensions as an E39, but lighter, and it's only barely considered a "proper" sports car. The M2 gets that moniker. We can't kid ourselves that the G30 is a smaller than it is.

Doesn't make it not awesome! Heck, I ditched my M4 to get back into an E60 and a G30 M550 for Mrs. Bick. Love the complete package of a larger sedan that can be thrown around.

What I don't understand is what you don't understand?
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Because the 5ers have gotten objectively bigger and heavier over the last several evolutions. Thankfully the G30 got lighter than the F10, but it's still bigger, and that changes the physics.

The F82 M4 is now about the same dimensions as an E39, but lighter, and it's only barely considered a "proper" sports car. The M2 gets that moniker. We can't kid ourselves that the G30 is a smaller than it is.

Doesn't make it not awesome! Heck, I ditched my M4 to get back into an E60 and a G30 M550 for Mrs. Bick. Love the complete package of a larger sedan that can be thrown around.

What I don't understand is what you don't understand?
Most cars have gotten objectively bigger and heavier over the last several generations, that was my point. There's never going to be another small, light, cheapish 5 series. Some of that is government, some of that is BMW's shifting ideas on what a car should be and some of that is market driven.

But regardless of all that, the 5 series is in the middle of the pack for cars in it's 'class'. Some competitors are lighter and some are heavier, so my point is the 5 series is not any kind of an outlier weight or size wise.
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I think the take-away is that the 5-series is not a SMALL car, but with IAS it feels a lot smaller than it actually is.

My last four cars have been-
MINI Countryman, 328 GT, Volvo XC90, M550. With the top-down camera and the IAS, the M550 is just as easy, if not easier, to drive around parking lots as the MINI ever was.
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I think the take-away is that the 5-series is not a SMALL car, but with IAS it feels a lot smaller than it actually is.

My last four cars have been-
MINI Countryman, 328 GT, Volvo XC90, M550. With the top-down camera and the IAS, the M550 is just as easy, if not easier, to drive around parking lots as the MINI ever was.
Absolutely, I'm not claiming it's small or light, because clearly - it's not. But it's average in class, which means, for cars made recently (because trying to compare a car from today to one from 20 years ago is stupid) it's not large or heavy either.

I have an M5, so no IAS for me, but it has better parking lot control than my out going Ford Fusion Sport. And you're right that the cameras are awesome. I just noticed this morning (just got my car yesterday) that the backup cam is high enough quality and wide enough angle I can see where my garage door closes, so no need to line the mirror up with something in garage to be sure I'm in enough (and not too much).
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I think the take-away is that the 5-series is not a SMALL car, but with IAS it feels a lot smaller than it actually is.
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My $0.02: I've owned multiple 5ers (1 x E39, 3 x E60, 1 x F10, 1 x G30).

Two of my E60s had it, one didn't. Loved two of those cars (and still own one of them as my DD, and thought "meh" about the third; guess which one was the odd one out.

Have owned the F10 for 8 years w/o IAS and really do not like the car. Boring, lumbering, and numb to drive. Replacing it in two weeks when our new G30 arrives. Can't wait.

The G30 has it, and I loved it while in Germany on our ED. Test drove several G30 with and w/o IAS and all of the different suspension options before purchasing. Without IAS the G30 felt as fat and numb as the F10. With it, the car felt more alive and fun to drive. For me, IAS is a must option on the 5ers.

Let's face the truth, a 5er is a big car. They are sporty and super fun to drive, but they are big and heavy. IAS makes the car feel way more nimble, lighter, and sporty than the same car without it, particularly at lower speeds and when carving tight corners. Completely changes (in a good way) the dynamic feel of the car. I'll never own a 5er that doesn't have it.
Excellent post and feedback, much appreciated. I am looking at a 2018 M5501 with the option, but haven't driven it, as it is considerable distance from me, and none available locally to test drive. But might just "go for it"...
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I test drove two, brand new, 2019 M550s back to back at the same dealer about 2 weeks ago. One had rear wheel steering and one did not. More accurately, one car had the "Active M suspension, with Active Roll Stabilization and Rear Wheel Steering" option, and the other did not. I drove these cars specifically to decide whether I wanted to order the car with that option or not. I did the same maneuvers on the same roads at the same time of day at (as closely as I could) the same speeds. Drove the equipped car first, then the non-equipped followed by the equipped again. Based on that experience I can tell you two things without a doubt:

1. Rear wheel steering makes the car noticeably easier to maneuver at slow speeds, like pulling into a parking space quickly, or turning left or right from a stop sign under moderate acceleration for example. The turning radius feels like it would be smaller, but I didn't measure it. The RWS car feels smaller than the non-RWS car (at slow speeds), as it responds more quickly, or at least makes the turn with less input on the wheel. I can see it making a useful difference in tighter parking spots, like in an underground garage for example.

2. The difference between the same car with Active Roll Stabilization (ARS) and without it is IMO like night and day. Turning left from a stop sign under moderate acceleration in the non-ARS caused my upper body to lean to the right about 6 - 8 inches by the mid-point of the turn. The ARS-equipped car minimized this, to the point where I felt in a more stable position during the turn and as a result was more 'into' what the car was doing rather than focussing on bracing myself, if that makes sense. I also simulated a slalom type of movement (left / right weave I guess), and again there was minimal body roll. I would imagine that this is a result of the combination of ARS and RWS, but the car definitely felt more nimble. Finally, I took some on ramp curves at a decent speed (75-80 km/h) in both cars and the car felt way more planted and as a result gave me more confidence. I don't think the RWS would have a noticeable effect in that particular scenario. I should note that both cars had 20" 668 wheels with non-RFT Michelins.

These options are not available individually here. I ordered mine with the same wheels/tires, and with the ARS/RWS option. I probably won't keep the car beyond the warranty period, so no concerns about long term reliability. Personally I thought the equipped car was more fun to drive than the non-equipped. It felt sportier to me.

I had an F10 M5, and drove a 2019 M5 Comp a few days before I did the above. No handling or suspension options from BMW will replicate an M car, but I'm stating the obvious. I think the M550 will be the better all around car for me as it will be my daily. I don't think you can go wrong with either to those options.

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I test drove two, brand new, 2019 M550s back to back at the same dealer about 2 weeks ago. One had rear wheel steering and one did not. More accurately, one car had the "Active M suspension, with Active Roll Stabilization and Rear Wheel Steering" option, and the other did not. I drove these cars specifically to decide whether I wanted to order the car with that option or not. I did the same maneuvers on the same roads at the same time of day at (as closely as I could) the same speeds. Drove the equipped car first, then the non-equipped followed by the equipped again. Based on that experience I can tell you two things without a doubt:

1. Rear wheel steering makes the car noticeably easier to maneuver at slow speeds, like pulling into a parking space quickly, or turning left or right from a stop sign under moderate acceleration for example. The turning radius feels like it would be smaller, but I didn't measure it. The RWS car feels smaller than the non-RWS car (at slow speeds), as it responds more quickly, or at least makes the turn with less input on the wheel. I can see it making a useful difference in tighter parking spots, like in an underground garage for example.

2. The difference between the same car with Active Roll Stabilization (ARS) and without it is IMO like night and day. Turning left from a stop sign under moderate acceleration in the non-ARS caused my upper body to lean to the right about 6 - 8 inches by the mid-point of the turn. The ARS-equipped car minimized this, to the point where I felt in a more stable position during the turn and as a result was more 'into' what the car was doing rather than focussing on bracing myself, if that makes sense. I also simulated a slalom type of movement (left / right weave I guess), and again there was minimal body roll. I would imagine that this is a result of the combination of ARS and RWS, but the car definitely felt more nimble. Finally, I took some on ramp curves at a decent speed (75-80 km/h) in both cars and the car felt way more planted and as a result gave me more confidence. I don't think the RWS would have a noticeable effect in that particular scenario. I should note that both cars had 20" 668 wheels with non-RFT Michelins.

These options are not available individually here. I ordered mine with the same wheels/tires, and with the ARS/RWS option. I probably won't keep the car beyond the warranty period, so no concerns about long term reliability. Personally I thought the equipped car was more fun to drive than the non-equipped. It felt sportier to me.

I had an F10 M5, and drove a 2019 M5 Comp a few days before I did the above. No handling or suspension options from BMW will replicate an M car, but I'm stating the obvious. I think the M550 will be the better all around car for me as it will be my daily. I don't think you can go wrong with either to those options.
By "Active M Suspension" I think you must mean the Dynamic Handling Package which is 3 features: Integral Active Steering (rear wheel steering), Active Roll Stabilization (electronically adjusted sway bars), and Adaptive M Suspension (electronic shock/strut dampers). A nice suspension bundle for $3600, and not an identical bundle available to the 540 shoppers.

I'm still on the fence as to adding IAS to my 540i build before deadline or not. I will be sticking with the M Sport 704 suspension.
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Old 09-06-2019, 08:36 AM
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I'm still on the fence as to adding IAS to my 540i build before deadline or not. I will be sticking with the M Sport 704 suspension.
If you don't get a chance to do a test drive comparison of the two, if it were me, I'd order the car with IAS. As I've stated above, it makes a world of difference.

On my first test drive of the G30, based on all the input from others on this board, I was hell-bent on driving an M550 with the 704 suspension and w/o all the other stuff. Finally got my hands on one, and even got the local dealer to let me do an extended test drive of the car for the day. I came back after driving the car almost 80 miles of mixed highway and side street testing mostly loving the car, but not getting that full "loving feeling." In fact, I was feeling a bit disappointed, because as awesome as the car was, it still had a lingering feeling of the F10's lameness.

Before I left the dealership, the CA talked me into driving a 530d, as my wife had expressed interest in a diesel. I got in that car and literally within seconds of pulling out onto the street I had that EUREKA! moment - that car had IT! It felt like my old E60 I loved so much. It turned crisply, it felt lighter, smaller, and more athletic. It just felt right - and I hadn't even mashed the go-peddle yet to get the joy of that diesel torque. It was all about the way the suspension felt. I checked to verify, and sure enough it had IAS.

It's such a profoundly different feel w/o IAS that I was close to talking my wife out of the G30. Once I had a chance to test drive an M550 that had it, though, to make absolutely certain, I was completely done. Placed the order right then.

Unless you want your G30 to feel like a Lexus or your grandpa's car, order that thing with IAS. You will have zero regrets.
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For those of us considering the 540i is the IAS a better option than the dynamic handling package (ZDH)? I test drove a 540 without either and it felt to me like a lumbering whale (compared to my 2014 335i) in terms of body roll so I'm considering the ZDH over the IAS.
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It isn't a case of one or the other. Active Steering is a complimentary feature. If you want the car to feel smaller while manoeuvring in tight places and to a lesser degree while changing lanes at speed then go for Active Steering. For additional planting to the road get the package with active roll bars. I have Active Steering and air suspension/VDC all round on my 6GT and wouldn't want to be without them both - note I don't have active roll bars though.
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Mein Auto: 2018 M550i
Hey a 6GT owner! I had a 2014 3GT and loved it. Now I drive an M550 which I also love, but was looking at a 6GT for when this car's time was up. I was sad to see they discontinued them. Being a large (tall+stocky) guy, the 6GT was amazing... one of the first cars I've ever sat in where the most comfortable seat position was NOT all the way back.
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