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Here's some decent info on BMW oil specs: https://www.bimmerworld.com/BMW-Engine-Oil/

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Very interesting read; a 5th purpose of oil needs to be added, and that is for hydraulic operation of the VVT system, which requires appropriate anti-foaming agents to keep the VANOS operating properly. Liquid doesn't compress, but gas of course does.
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I would also take exception with the statement, "In 2016 BMW announced new 0W30 to replace 5W30. 0W30 carries the same LL-01 approval with a FE label, making it backwards compatible but also making newer models more fuel efficient." Emphasis mine.

I've seen contradicting statements on this, but I doubt that BMW engineers would agree that "FE" oils are backward compatible.

If we can trust that sulfur levels are now (or soon) low enough to use diesel oils, something like Shell Rotella T6 would sound more appealing to me. I've read many reports of people using it anyway over recent years. For now I have several 5 qt jugs of Castrol Edge 0W-40 LL-01 to keep me going for another year or more.

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While that page has some good info on oils. it isn't particularly accurate.
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I would also take exception with the statement, "In 2016 BMW announced new 0W30 to replace 5W30. 0W30 carries the same LL-01 approval with a FE label, making it backwards compatible but also making newer models more fuel efficient." Emphasis mine.

I've seen contradicting statements on this, but I doubt that BMW engineers would agree that "FE" oils are backward compatible.

If we can trust that sulfur levels are now (or soon) low enough to use diesel oils, something like Shell Rotella T6 would sound more appealing to me. I've read many reports of people using it anyway over recent years. For now I have several 5 qt jugs of Castrol Edge 0W-40 LL-01 to keep me going for another year or more.

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If we can trust sulfur is a big IF, IMO. Don't forget the ZDDP (imperative for flat tappet cams) is also damaging to exhaust catalysts. I do really want to use Shell Rotella Gas truck oil, which is currently the highest-rated non-racing oil, rated higher than (in decreasing order) Quaker state ultimate durability and Pennzoil Platinum, but don't think it is A3 rated. I did use Rotella 15w-40 in my MK3 Jetta, but was just too thick for the climate; switched to 5w-40 and the old ABA loved it.
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FWIW my engine does NOT like 5w-40. Every couple of cold starts and it lifter-ticks like a bastard. It does this when the oil is too thick. Goes away when it warms... when I get to 500 miles on the oil and change it (first change after the pan was removed) Iíll go back to 0w-40 regardless of LL01 or not.

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Autozone has pentosin 5-30 high power that is LL-01 approved and 5LT bottle is 20$. My car loves it. 07 x3 n52 with 230k
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FYI just ordered 3 Mann-Hummel oil filters at advance auto for $6.48 each, and ordered 6 5-qt jugs of Castrol 0w-40 full syn for $22 each, putting the cost of an oil change at $40.36 after tax. Mine prefers the 0w-40 over the 5w-30.
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Autozone has pentosin 5-30 high power that is LL-01 approved and 5LT bottle is 20$. My car loves it. 07 x3 n52 with 230k
Good info! Was able to score 5 5LT 2 years ago used it on my 05...it loved it! Car ran amazing smooth...no matter I'll check them out. That's a deal that maybe just at your store's area. Hope it's not too late....

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FYI just ordered 3 Mann-Hummel oil filters at advance auto for $6.48 each, and ordered 6 5-qt jugs of Castrol 0w-40 full syn for $22 each, putting the cost of an oil change at $40.36 after tax. Mine prefers the 0w-40 over the 5w-30.
Castrol 0w-40 a3/b4 full syn always for $22 each at Walmart here in Laurel, MD.
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Castrol 0w-40 a3/b4 full syn always for $22 each at Walmart here in Laurel, MD.
Are you in MD or ON?

I ordered because I loathe stepping foot into walmart, and free shipping makes it worth it. With 2 vehicles that use 0w-40, I could feasibly rip through those 6 jugs by the end of Winter.
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Are you in MD or ON?

I ordered because I loathe stepping foot into walmart, and free shipping makes it worth it. With 2 vehicles that use 0w-40, I could feasibly rip through those 6 jugs by the end of Winter.
I am from ON and travel to MD quite often. Grap some oil from walmart then go back to ON, Thats why i know the price

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Whatís the 5w30 LL-01 approved oil? I know bmw recently switched to 0w40 but I prefer the old grade just canít locate anything thatís ll-01 approved


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Whatís the 5w30 LL-01 approved oil? I know bmw recently switched to 0w40 but I prefer the old grade just canít locate anything thatís ll-01 approved
Cruise on over to "getBMWparts.com" for Genuine BMW Twinpower Turbo Engine Oil LL-01 5W-30 - Part Number 83-21-2-466-454 @ $7.55/ltr, on sale:
https://www.getbmwparts.com/oem-part...kgUGFnZQ%3D%3D
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What's the 5w30 LL-01 approved oil? I know bmw recently switched to 0w40 but I prefer the old grade just can't locate anything that's ll-01 approved


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Pentosin high performance(not high performance ll or lll) and
Castrol 5w30 A3/B4 in the gold bottles are LL-01 approved 5w30. You can find them on amazon. Autozone had the pentosin on their shelf for couple months now but I think no more, cuz they were on clearance last time I walked in and snatched the last 2 bottles ***x1f642;
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Autozone has pentosin 5-30 high power that is LL-01 approved and 5LT bottle is 20$. My car loves it. 07 x3 n52 with 230k
Good info! Was able to score 5 5LT 2 years ago used it on my 05...it loved it! Car ran amazing smooth...no matter I'll check them out. That's a deal that maybe just at your store's area. Hope it's not too late....

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I think autozone won't have the pentosin anymore cuz they were on clearance the other day. I checked their amazon price and its $59 That's crazy! I think I'll go back to castrol a3/b4 from amazon, $39/5qt
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Liquimoly, Vaico oils, as ordered from ECS also.

For the climates mine is driven in (upstate NY-FL Keys), 0w-40 from Castrol is the best oil for my car (and cheapest) LL01 be damned. Being in Canada, I'd never run a 5w oil in the winter.
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Valvoline claims LL-01 on this 0w-40 oil: https://www.walmart.com/ip/Valvoline...uart/893906283

Doesn't appear to be in stock at my local store, but easy to get free shipping.

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I agree that unless you are going 12 to 20,000 miles between oil changes you do not need the specification. I just use a quality mobile one oil and change every 5000 miles
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20 bucks at amazon...i had to pick up two l..great for the winter...good all-around...not best if got small leeks.

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Iíll go back to 0w-40 regardless of LL01 or not.
How dare you???!!!



Anyway... Just did oil change on my daughter's X3 and put the usual Mobil 1 0W-40. At 213K it's still going strong without having had zero LL01 oil put through it in the last three years and 30+K miles.

Had to buy a few 5qt 0W-40 (for the family BMWs and MBs) and 10W-30 (for the family GMs) jugs from WalMart a few days ago since they had them down to $19.99.
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Where can I find oils that meet LL-01 today?

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How dare you???!!!







Anyway... Just did oil change on my daughter's X3 and put the usual Mobil 1 0W-40. At 213K it's still going strong without having had zero LL01 oil put through it in the last three years and 30+K miles.



Had to buy a few 5qt 0W-40 (for the family BMWs and MBs) and 10W-30 (for the family GMs) jugs from WalMart a few days ago since they had them down to $19.99.


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Where can I find oils that meet LL-01 today?

Two things in life are certain to cause drama:

1) Wearing a MAGA hat as you walk through San Francisco

2) saying you donít use LL01 oil


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