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Had a bitch of a time setting X3 down onto jack stands today

Slow day on the forum.....

Since the X3 is higher than a sports coupe, my floor jack almost extends straight up to get the front high enough to clear the lowest setting on my 6T jack stands. As a result, the last few inches of lift also are moving the car forward.
when I lower the car, it is almost moving backwards, horizontally. The jack is not lowering, but lowering horizontally.

Since I kept the jackstand saddle perpendicular with the jack block, the block would almost slip off the jack stand saddle.
It took me like 10 tries to get the center of the blocks to sit in the saddle. Several times, the jack stand was tilting 2 legs off the ground, and I had to rejack and adjust.

I've never had this much hassle laying a car down onto jack stands. I might need to buy a new high reach jack to solve this lateral movement issue ?
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I've never had this much hassle laying a car down onto jack stands. I might need to buy a new high reach jack to solve this lateral movement issue ?
Have you considered using a set of ramps to lift one end then putting the opposite end onto the jack stands?
Oh and a couple of 2 x8's or 10's beneath the floor jack may give you the additional lift that you need without the tendency to roll at full lift extension.
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I will show you a trick...

I have the basic 2-ton floor jack that I use for cars, SUVs at home etc. and I do NOT want another piece of equipment in my small garage.
I can afford a 3-ton, 4-ton floor jacks, but these things take space (which I don't have, plus these 3T 4T floor jacks are HEAVY...I am getting old and only want the simple 2 -ton floor jack).

I am a minimalist, so I went to Home Depot and bought 2 pieces of 2x10 lumber, each piece about 24 inches long.

For SUV, I simply place 2 pieces of lumber below the jack to gain 3" of height. It works every time even for my 2005 Volvo XC90, with a ground clearance higher than BMW X3...

For regular sedans, no need for wood, just use floor jack on concrete floor.

Below is the photo of 2 pieces of wood under floor jack for my 2005 Volvo XC90...

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Notice that you use 6T jack stand, which is good but very tall even at lowest setting.
Best is to buy 3T or 4T jack stands...
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I use somewhat the same method as cn90 but opposite...i use two 3in wooden blocks and I place them on the Jack's cradle...i get 3 to 6 extra inches
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- Actually it is MUCH SAFER to have wood under the floor jack.
- When you place a block of wood above the cradle, you risk stability. Been there done that, the risk of the piece of wood flying out is there.
Been there done that.
- Best is to place wood BELOW the floor jack.
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Me either.

Although itís Xmas. Might as well go big or go home...time for a 2 post lift. Santa can fit this in his sleigh....Iím sure.


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What's the jacking surface evaluation look like? Is the jack rolling freely as you pump up?

Those cheap castorswill stick on a small surface change, like 1/4 inch
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Have you considered using a set of ramps to lift one end then putting the opposite end onto the jack stands?
Oh and a couple of 2 x8's or 10's beneath the floor jack may give you the additional lift that you need without the tendency to roll at full lift extension.
Maybe I'll get ramps, but there still must be a way to use a floor jack with SUVs.
Wood under the jack is a brilliant idea! This is why I love car forums.

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Cn90, I have always loved your years of DIY posting on the E39 board,
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Notice that you use 6T jack stand, which is good but very tall even at lowest setting.
Best is to buy 3T or 4T jack stands...
True, the 6T on lowest setting is the same height at 2T on highest setting.
But, if I am gonna jack, I like to go high and just give myself the most clearance.
Same amount of effort, except now with this X3 height issue on my floor jack.
I've never had to extend my jack to the vertical position on other cars.
So, maybe you're right.

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I use somewhat the same method as cn90 but opposite...i use two 3in wooden blocks and I place them on the Jack's cradle...i get 3 to 6 extra inches
I'm not your smartest bear ,,,but!
Tempting. This is so much simpler than positioning the heavy jack onto planks.
cn90, can you explain your wood block roll-off incident?
If the block is sufficiently large, it would have to be seriously off-center from the jack plate to actually roll over. In fact, it seems like it would be almost impossible.

Brothor, can you snap a photo of your two 3in blocks?

Excellent replies all around, folks.
Thanks for the input. I have some ideas I can work with now.
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What's the jacking surface evaluation look like? Is the jack rolling freely as you pump up?

Those cheap castorswill stick on a small surface change, like 1/4 inch
Yup, jack is rolling freely.
That is not the problem.

The problem is that the jack needs to extent to 100% max lift height to lift an SUV.
The last few inches of jack travel have a large horizontal travel.
It's the math of a circle. The jack arm is a radius.
The first 20 degrees are almost all vertical lift.
The last 20 degrees are almost all horizontal lift.

So, when you let the car back down, it is moving backwards
and it's very hard to position the jack stands the catch the X3 jack blocks into the saddle.
It took me literally 7 or 8 tries before I got it.

The solution is to jack the X3 not as high (smaller jack stands)
or to elevate the jack so it does not need to extend to max lift height.
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If you understand that the jack arm is a radius arm, then you should be able to see how the jack would begin to pull a block of wood placed between the jack and vehicle out of position. Iíve used blocks between the jack and vehicle for decades without issue, but almost never anywhere close to full extension of a jack; I donít like maxing out any jack or even getting close to it. The blocks I use are never taller than they are longer. I only ever use a jack when I need to pull a wheel; if the vehicle just needs to raised, up on ramps it goes. Ramps are quicker, easier and safer than any jack, which is only as strong as itís weakest seal, and can be had for a far smaller financial investment.

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- The only time I use wood btw floor jack and a part:
1. Only for thin wood such as 2x4, not 4x4.
2. If I ever use 4x4 then it is for non-heavy object such as supporting the trans or engine during engine mounts DIY.

- Most people would say it is much safer to have wood BELOW the floor jack.

- Do a google search using key words "wood between floor jack or below", and you will see threads like this...

https://texags.com/forums/46/topics/2051110


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Agineer9:48p, 3/4/12AG
Seriously though, make sure the block is oriented so that the height does not exceed the smallest base dimension. Also have the wood grain run transverse to the load.

MouthBQ9811:50p, 3/4/12AG
Well, I'll just warn you that once I was using a block of 4x4 on top of my floor jack lifing my truck, and the block suddenly split in two and dropped the truck back to the ground. Fortunately, I was just starting the process of putting it on stands, so no harm done.

I'd done it a dozen times with that block, and it finally gave out. Must have had a split in it or something.

Randy034:18a, 3/5/12AG
Or you could get a 4x4 and place it underneath the jack. The wood is much more stable on the ground. It all depends if a 4x4 fits between the wheels on the base of your jack, but if it does I figure that would be the best way to do it, that way the force from your jack goes right through the frame, square onto the wood. You could also put a concrete patio tile or something under the jack, important thing is that either all 4 wheels are on the platform (tile) or that whatever you are using is parallel to the frame (like the 4x4).

Best of luck and hope you dont die.

madd_ag_055:29a, 3/5/12AG
It's definitely do-able. Had to use a number of wood blocks to lift my buddy's 300ZX high enough to drop the transmission.

Take your time, and pay very close attention to the blocks during the lift. Assuming they don't have any splits they can support the weight, but if they start sliding it can get dangerous very quickly.

Javelina7:48a, 3/5/12AG
Is this a one time thing or something you'll be working on frequently?

FaceMask8:13a, 3/5/12
I'll be using it for changing brake pads this time around, but was going to start using it for oil changes also. I do have ramps for oil changes so not necessary for frequent usage.

What you do think about the Home Depot one that lifts up to 21"? And would it just be safer and more stable to put wood or tile underneath the actual floor jack instead of on top of the saddle?

And thanks for the words of encouragement Randy03...gulp!

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And would it just be safer and more stable to put wood or tile underneath the actual floor jack instead of on top of the saddle?
If you decide to put the jack on top of the wood, make sure you've got a large enough piece of wood for the jack to move a few inches forward or back, since floor jacks move as part of their operation.

If you put a block on the saddle, take your time centering the block and pay close attention to the lifting point. Once the jack is loaded, the wood should not move. Doing it this way, stability isn't a problem unless you're having to use a wood block on top of another wood block...

If you're going to be jacking your car up frequently, I'd suggest getting a jack with a higher lift height capacity. Wood blocks and boards are handy in a pinch, but I'd rather have the appropriate tool for the job.

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Did they teach you that in Germany?

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Floor jacks are designed to roll as part of their operation.

This is why I'm not a big fan of putting wood under the jack, it only adds to the complexity and risk. There's always a potential you could shoot that wood out from under the jack because of rolling and THEN you're in a world of hurt.

If you can't get it with a 4x4 on top, get a new jack or some ramps. They're not that expensive, and much cheaper than a trip to the ER.

FaceMask9:14a, 3/5/12
Well, for doing wheel/tire work i can't use Ramps..but you guys were very helpful. Thanks.
I think I'm going to check out the Home Depot Floor jack before trying the wood block on the saddle.

jarheadag1:02p, 3/5/12
Do it all the time. Prefer using 2X6 or 2X8 over 4X4 on the saddle. Stack them if necessary, screw them together. Alternate grain direction to reduce likelihood of a split. Never had any issues.

KRamp901:14p, 3/5/12AG
Jack it up, and lower onto a jack stand? Which you should be doing anyway.

KY AG1:56p, 3/5/12AG
Reading is hard?

KRamp903:08p, 3/5/12AG
Maybe...

FaceMask3:19p, 3/14/12
2x4 wood block worked like a charm, I centered carefully and slowly jacked it up (on my HF 3 ton) until the wood "locked" into place b/t the saddle and rear lift point on my '04 Acura TL. Made sure I placed the jack stands in ASAP.
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You will never get hurt jacking up because you arent underneath, are you? Ever?

No,

And, you are standing while you jack, so I don't get how you get hurt if wood cribbing breaks or shoots out.

If you are stupid enough to jack with your face near the wood, then that pain will teach you not to do that.

I use one or two hockey pucks on the jack cup on my Al Pittsburgh (HF) jack if I need a bit extra height.

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If you want extra height, put a bottle jack on the saddle of a floor jack and jack both.


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So basicly you are using mis matching equipment ,YOU say you HAVE 6 TON jack stands those are some high jack stands , likly your Jack is 2 ton or less that you are using , with those jackstands you need a jack thats jacks at leat 18 inches high for your 6 ton jack stands , So yea either upgrade jack or step down to 3 ton Jackstands. or play with donage (wood).
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So basicly you are using mis matching equipment ,YOU say you HAVE 6 TON jack stands those are some high jack stands , likly your Jack is 2 ton or less that you are using , with those jackstands you need a jack thats jacks at leat 18 inches high for your 6 ton jack stands , So yea either upgrade jack or step down to 3 ton Jackstands. or play with donage (wood).
I like the 6T jack stands. They are beefy as hell.

I wouldn't mind a new jack, actually.
Maybe an aluminum lightweight racing jack that is low profile.

If I get ramps, I need to make sure I have the space.
I also would want very long low profile ramps, so I can use with my other cars.

WOW, Rhino Ramps seems to be garbage.
Look at the negative reviews and photos of cracked ramps!
https://www.amazon.com/RhinoGear-119...dp/B0117EETEK?
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If I get ramps, I need to make sure I have the space.
I also would want very long low profile ramps, so I can use with my other cars.
WOW, Rhino Ramps seems to be garbage.
You could always "roll yer own" :
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I like the 6T jack stands. They are beefy as hell.



I wouldn't mind a new jack, actually.

Maybe an aluminum lightweight racing jack that is low profile.



If I get ramps, I need to make sure I have the space.

I also would want very long low profile ramps, so I can use with my other cars.



WOW, Rhino Ramps seems to be garbage.

Look at the negative reviews and photos of cracked ramps!

https://www.amazon.com/RhinoGear-119...dp/B0117EETEK?


How exactly is 4.5/5 stars considered garbage?

I have a pair of exactly those ramps, and Iíve used them on my 3 tons trucks without issue so they can definitely support a lightweight BMW. Most negative reviews are left from clueless people who either bought the wrong tool for the job, or didnít know how to use the tool.

Your average 2 ton grocery getter seems heavy until you have to lift a 25 ton machine to change a 1 ton tire/wheel. That is definitely not a time to use concrete blocks to support the machine... we came in the next day to find the Cat sitting on top of a pile of RCA.

12 ton ramps can support a 2 ton car easily.


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You could always "roll yer own" :
I don't have woodworking equipment.
I would have to buy final products at HD.
Can someone bevel the edges like that at HD ?
I have a drill and stuff that I could bolt them together.
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How exactly is 4.5/5 stars considered garbage?
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Dozens of reviews with photos of cracked ramps.
I would never feel comfortable getting under these after seeing pics from a dozen different people.
It's pretty obvious how to use the tool.
They also listed their cars which are all basic passenger cars
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I don't have woodworking equipment.
I would have to buy final products at HD.
Can someone bevel the edges like that at HD ?
I have a drill and stuff that I could bolt them together.


I donít think they would do that at HD or Loweís. Your vehicle would still make it up without being beveled.


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I don't have woodworking equipment.
I would have to buy final products at HD.
Can someone bevel the edges like that at HD ?
I have a drill and stuff that I could bolt them together.
If you can't put a 45 +-10 degrees on a piece of wood, stop working on cars and take a basic shop and tools course at a local JC first.

You would glue that together, no nails or screws.

Why?
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If you can't put a 45 +-10 degrees on a piece of wood, stop working on cars and take a basic shop and tools course at a local JC first.

You would glue that together, no nails or screws.

Why?


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Dozens of reviews with photos of cracked ramps.
I would never feel comfortable getting under these after seeing pics from a dozen different people.
It's pretty obvious how to use the tool.
They also listed their cars which are all basic passenger cars


Oh you mean just like when you claimed all the E46 guys donít run the engine to bleed the cooling system and posted threads to prove it, yet in both those threads the guys who knew what they were doing said to run the engine?

Even if there were ďdozensĒ of negative reviews (which there arenít), the Amazon link you posted had 3023 reviews, so negative reviews are less than 1%. Yeah, thatís total proof of failure right there. Many people use a crescent wrench wrong and have no idea theyíre doing so, many people use ramps wrong and have no idea theyíre doing so.

If you have to post a thread asking how to raise a vehicle, you really canít argue with the solutions when offered.


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