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Well, on a somewhat related noted to this thread, the Jaguar I-Pace appears to be no threat to anything else out there, although they are certainly targeting Tesla. Anyone can get $12k in factory credits and discounts on one, but if you're a Tesla owner, Jaguar will increase that to $15k. On a car with a base sticker of $70k, that's over 20% off. I think Jaguar is likely taking a bath on the I-Pace.


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A coworker got a quote in July for a 2019 i3 leases REX MSRP $49k 3 yrs 10k/yr, $310/month, $2400 MSD, tax included, $1400 out the door. This month's incentive supposedly is even better than July.

That is $12250 for 3 years 30k miles for a 200-mile EV. And that is before $2500 CA EV credit too.

As suggested previously, the market is efficient!
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A coworker got a quote in July for a 2019 i3 leases REX MSRP $49k 3 yrs 10k/yr, $310/month, $2400 MSD, tax included, $1400 out the door. This month's incentive supposedly is even better than July.

That is $12250 for 3 years 30k miles for a 200-mile EV. And that is before $2500 CA EV credit too.

As suggested previously, the market is efficient!


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A coworker got a quote in July for a 2019 i3 leases REX MSRP $49k 3 yrs 10k/yr, $310/month, $2400 MSD, tax included, $1400 out the door. This month's incentive supposedly is even better than July.

That is $12250 for 3 years 30k miles for a 200-mile EV. And that is before $2500 CA EV credit too.

As suggested previously, the market is efficient!
It’s a 126 mile EV. The extended range engine extends that to 200 miles as rated by BMW.
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Old 08-15-2019, 12:03 AM
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It's a 126 mile EV. The extended range engine extends that to 200 miles as rated by BMW.
bmwusa says 2019 i3 has range of 153 miles, extended by 30% with REX to 200 miles.
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Old 08-15-2019, 07:53 AM
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bmwusa says 2019 i3 has range of 153 miles, extended by 30% with REX to 200 miles.
I stand corrected. 2019 models are rated to 153 miles as you say. The 200 mile model is not a true EV.
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I stand corrected. 2019 models are rated to 153 miles as you say. The 200 mile model is not a true EV.
That is true, i3 has a small(er) 42.2kWh battery + 2 gears, 153 miles of pure EV range is not bad.
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That is true, i3 has a small(er) 42.2kWh battery + 2 gears, 153 miles of pure EV range is not bad.
It's also a $45,000 base price EV and is smashed by nearly every metric by the $35,000 Tesla Model 3.

There are over 20 Model 3s in my company's car park garage, there are zero I3s.
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It's also a $45,000 base price EV and is smashed by nearly every metric by the $35,000 Tesla Model 3.

There are over 20 Model 3s in my company's car park garage, there are zero I3s.
The i3 lease deals are cheaper than SR ones, something like $12k versus $16k for 3 years 10k miles/yr, so the market is efficient.
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The i3 lease deals are cheaper than SR ones, something like $12k versus $16k for 3 years 10k miles/yr, so the market is efficient.


Sure bmw can heavily subsidize their current overpriced EV offering because it keeps them active in the segment and probably helps with their cafe numbers.

If you live in a cooler climate the i3 is worthless for anything other than short range commuting.


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Sure bmw can heavily subsidize their current overpriced EV offering because it keeps them active in the segment and probably helps with their cafe numbers.

If you live in a cooler climate the i3 is worthless for anything other than short range commuting.


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i3 REX $12k for 3 years 10k/yr is not overpriced EV with pure 153 miles of range.

If the comment is referring to BMW MSRP, festers already know for a long long while that specific number is not too meaningful.
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That's a good lease price but the 10k annual mileage and lack of a charging network severely restrict it as a daily driver except for local driving. It's a very much compromised EV compared to the 3. It's a toy.
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That's a good lease price but the 10k annual mileage and lack of a charging network severely restrict it as a daily driver except for local driving. It's a very much compromised EV compared to the 3. It's a placeholder and early development vehicle towards soon to come high volume BMW EV's.

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That's a good lease price but the 10k annual mileage and lack of a charging network severely restrict it as a daily driver except for local driving. It's a very much compromised EV compared to the 3. It's a placeholder and early development vehicle towards soon to come high volume BMW EV's.
The coworker's final deal was $51000-ish MSRP i3 REX 3 years 10k/yr, cap cost $35600, $2800 MSD(not sure what is max. MSD), $12.5k total.

153 miles of EV + 47 miles of extended do not sound too much of compromise, esp. 47 miles can be extended from gas station to gas station if needed.

Maybe the next i3 revision can double gas tank size and provide 100+ miles of extended range, and improve battery range to 200+ miles.
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The coworker's final deal was $51000-ish MSRP i3 REX 3 years 10k/yr, cap cost $35600, $2800 MSD(not sure what is max. MSD), $12.5k total.

153 miles of EV + 47 miles of extended do not sound too much of compromise, esp. 47 miles can be extended from gas station to gas station if needed.

Maybe the next i3 revision can double gas tank size and provide 100+ miles of extended range, and improve battery range to 200+ miles.
I hope he never has to drive more than 100 miles one way in his i3. Will there be a next gen i3? I doubt it. It's already obsolete.
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I hope he never has to drive more than 100 miles one way in his i3. Will there be a next gen i3? I doubt it. It's already obsolete.
It is unclear to me that PHEVs are as obsolete as BEV proponents would like to believe, and i3 is a rare breed with EV range better than gasoline range!

The next gen of BMW EVs appear to be iX3, i4, and iNext in 2021.
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