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Old 10-01-2017, 07:15 PM
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F30 Headlight Upgrade - What to do?

So, I just bought a brand new F30 (2017), but it came with the dreaded Halogen Lights (albeit, with the "cool" tiny, led DRL.

So now, obviously, I have been looking for an upgrade. I called the Dealership and was told that it's not "possible" to upgrade my lights for some strange reason. And as I'm looking around through ebay and Amazon, 99% of upgrades are for the pre-LCI...but I'm not exactly sure why this would matter. I'm told that if I bought, for instance, the U-Bar lights, that, in the item page are for "F30 2012-2014", that they wouldn't "fit" my car.
I even contacted a direct seller on ebay to ask him about this. And surely enough, he told me that the lights he was selling were not compatible with LCI models.

https://www.amazon.com/Black-Project...=f30+headlight

So then, so far, I have not been able to find ANY replacement upgrades for my car. At one time I heard that "the F30 LCI, that came with the Halogen Stock Headlights is NOT UPGRADEABLE at all, to any other light."

I've done light upgrades before, for PRE-LCI and LCI models, and have NEVER had an issue.
I've never seen it where the connection is not compatible between LCI and non-LCI.

Can anyone enlighten me on this, if there's any info I'm missing.
And if anyone has done this upgrade, can you let me know what my options are?
Thanks in advance.
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Old 10-02-2017, 09:33 AM
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2017 F30s still have HALOGEN as standard headlights, not Xenon? I dont know, I am just asking. I took a look at the pricing guide, and I saw that the premium package comes standard with LED lights... I cant answer your question, but I have one for you. If the headlights were important to you, why did you buy a car that had halogen lights (new) that you felt you were going to need to retrofit as soon as you got it? When you did this before, did you actually save money retrofitting the headlights over just getting a car with them? Especially if you got a new car, I am wondering why you chose one without the headlights you wanted...
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Old 10-02-2017, 09:53 AM
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Yeah, apparently. The base models have the new Halogens, which are "nice" and have this "cool" led light for the DRL....but they're still Halogen.

Oh, well, I didn't get it brand new, so I couldn't customize it. The LED lights, which are the new standard for "premium" now were I think an extra $5000. So, yeah, for this case it DEFINITELY was worth not "upgrading", even if I would have had the choice, which, again, I didn't. I got a CPO.

With my past 5 BMWs, yes, it most DEFINITELY has been worth upgrading later, than at the dealership. The labor is "medium difficulty." And the cost has no comparison to "out of the dealership". It's always been a couple thousand dollar difference, at least.
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Old 10-02-2017, 02:58 PM
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I have a F30 2014 328i and it also came with halogens. I recently purchased an aftermarket plug and play Angel eyes headlight housing from USRacing. It is an entirely new housing and direct plug and play, with no error codes. Just installed it and they are amazing and basically look OEM. However, the only downside is there is still halogen bulbs inside and not HID LEDs, however I can just swap that out with a kit if I wanted to.
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Old 10-02-2017, 03:05 PM
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I have a F30 2014 328i and it also came with halogens. I recently purchased an aftermarket plug and play Angel eyes headlight housing from USRacing. It is an entirely new housing and direct plug and play, with no error codes. Just installed it and they are amazing and basically look OEM. However, the only downside is there is still halogen bulbs inside and not HID LEDs, however I can just swap that out with a kit if I wanted to.
Nice. Links and/or pics?

I think 2014 is just before the LCI though...I believe the LCI happened in 2015 Manufacture models. So that's what I'm trying to find out...if the upgrade that you did could work for me.
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Old 10-02-2017, 03:16 PM
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Nice. Links and/or pics?

I think 2014 is just before the LCI though...I believe the LCI happened in 2015 Manufacture models. So that's what I'm trying to find out...if the upgrade that you did could work for me.

Heres to the headlights:

https://www.uniquestyleracings.com/i...roduct_id=1023


Here's how they look:

https://imgur.com/gallery/qt8Z4
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Old 10-13-2017, 07:40 PM
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You didnt have to flash the system? thought you had to do something with those headlights your you would get an error code a couple weeks later
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Old 10-13-2017, 07:47 PM
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You didnt have to flash the system? thought you had to do something with those headlights your you would get an error code a couple weeks later
Nope , plug and play; so far so good.
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Old 10-15-2017, 07:00 AM
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Nice. Links and/or pics?

I think 2014 is just before the LCI though...I believe the LCI happened in 2015 Manufacture models. So that's what I'm trying to find out...if the upgrade that you did could work for me.
The LCI happened for the 2016 models. I have a 2015 model (manufactured Feb 2015) and doens't have the LCI.
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The LCI happened for the 2016 models. I have a 2015 model (manufactured Feb 2015) and doens't have the LCI.
You are correct. I meant to say (2016) Models [LCI].


So, here's the update so far:

I've spoken to BMW service center twice. The first time, they said it's a straight "no, you can't uprade", but it was a very straight forward dry answer, as if to say " buy it with the lights, and pay the extra, otherwise I can't help you."

The second time, I Actually grabbed one of the service specialists and walked over to the car, to have privacy, and explained the situation. He was unsure of the whole thing, but saw no reason why I couldn't make this adjustment. He told me that there IS no major difference in the fitting, or the wiring between the PRE LCI and the LCI. But told me that he would do more research and that he would check and send me a private email, letting me know.
It kind of sounded like he knew as much as I did...which is not much.

Upon finding more alternatives on ebay and Amazon, I came across this seller who, through a DM, told me that it shouldn't be a problem, but that he only supplied the headlight housing, and did not provide (at least in THAT transaction) the Ballast, Control Module and Wiring - which is exactly the situation I've found myself in before, namely with an E90 '06.
But as far as he was concerned, he told me that it SHOULD work, I'd just have to get the extra wiring harness, an extra ballast, and an extra control module, to make everything work.

If anyone has some info on this let me know.
I'll keep doing my research.

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Old 10-15-2017, 03:42 PM
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So, I had an idea:
Money is NOT an issue at all. If anything, I do all this for the fun of building something, or modding something.
So, I thought, MAYBE I should buy a used "Adaptive LED Light", which is what I want, and test everything out on my car. See if the wiring is the same, what could be missing...does it pop any codes, etc.
Ya know? Use my car as the guinea pig. I don't have much to lose.

The only reason why this wasn't the "obvious" choice in the beginning was because the car is still under warranty. And I was advised that surely, working on the car in this way, would void the warranty. Even if just replacing a bulb. So, I didn't want to chance it. But I don't see a reason why not. The warranty itself is not offering me anything I'm not already getting, or able to get on my own.
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Old 10-15-2017, 05:43 PM
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I have a 2012 328i and would really like to upgrade from the basic halogen headlights. Is there anyone who had done this before? Can we upgrade to OEM LEDs?
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Old 10-15-2017, 06:34 PM
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I have a 2012 328i and would really like to upgrade from the basic halogen headlights. Is there anyone who had done this before? Can we upgrade to OEM LEDs?
Fortunately, yes. This is, apparently, old news. There are several stickies, and old DIY posts that, I'm sure some of the more "elitist" posters in this site will point you to.
But I have found several solutions for YOUR car.
Mine, though, is the LCI, which supposedly means that any other DIYs that you find on "F30" won't work for.
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Fortunately, yes. This is, apparently, old news. There are several stickies, and old DIY posts that, I'm sure some of the more "elitist" posters in this site will point you to.
But I have found several solutions for YOUR car.
Mine, though, is the LCI, which supposedly means that any other DIYs that you find on "F30" won't work for.
Itís the nature of Internet forums that some questions appear frequently. Headlight upgrades are one of these. Thatís why we refer you to the search function at times. There is a wealth of information here which is very helpful. Itís not ďelitistĒ. There is more info on pre-LCI cars because they have been on the market longer.
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Itís the nature of Internet forums that some questions appear frequently. Headlight upgrades are one of these. Thatís why we refer you to the search function at times. There is a wealth of information here which is very helpful. Itís not ďelitistĒ. There is more info on pre-LCI cars because they have been on the market longer.
Well sure, I agree that some questions seem redundant; but they're only redundant to those members that are on here on a daily basis.

Most people that come here, like myself included, on a non-regular, or on a first time or only-time basis, come here with the expectation that they will: ask a question; and get an answer.

But all too often you get the already-rolling-his -eyes member who has heard the question dozens of time before and will grind his teeth as he says "GO CHECK THE DAMN STICKIES!" instead of just answering the question.

I agree with you, again, that there is a wealth of information that is helpful and might actually answer MOST questions that people come here for. But I rebut with the same fact: that most people come on these Forums expecting to: ask a question; and get an answer. I doubt that most people come on these forums with the expectation to use it as "Wiki" type of site.

For instance, me and my question for this Thread. I came here BECAUSE I've already done my Googling and my researching and my scrounging of information on the internet, and came up empty handed. So, I came here to ask the question in case someone has the specific answer, or can point me in the right direction.
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http://www.headlightexperts.com/ledlighting.html, I keep getting this ad on my FB page for plug and play LED headlight bulbs. It looks pretty legitimate.
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Old 10-16-2017, 12:23 AM
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To OP, there is no personal experience with aftermarket LED upgrades.

The factory retrofit can be tricky on F-chassis cars(when compared to previous gens), since they no longer comes prewired. In other words, if the feature is not built from factory, it is likely that the wiring harness will be missing.
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Most people that come here, like myself included, on a non-regular, or on a first time or only-time basis, come here with the expectation that they will: ask a question; and get an answer.
That's my expectation too. So keep asking questions, that's what online enthusiast forums are for.
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Well sure, I agree that some questions seem redundant; but they're only redundant to those members that are on here on a daily basis.

Most people that come here, like myself included, on a non-regular, or on a first time or only-time basis, come here with the expectation that they will: ask a question; and get an answer.

But all too often you get the already-rolling-his -eyes member who has heard the question dozens of time before and will grind his teeth as he says "GO CHECK THE DAMN STICKIES!" instead of just answering the question.

I agree with you, again, that there is a wealth of information that is helpful and might actually answer MOST questions that people come here for. But I rebut with the same fact: that most people come on these Forums expecting to: ask a question; and get an answer. I doubt that most people come on these forums with the expectation to use it as "Wiki" type of site.

For instance, me and my question for this Thread. I came here BECAUSE I've already done my Googling and my researching and my scrounging of information on the internet, and came up empty handed. So, I came here to ask the question in case someone has the specific answer, or can point me in the right direction.
I'm sorry if there are no answers to your LCI headlight upgrade question. It likely means there are no solutions yet. My suggestion is to reach out to one of the pre-LCI suppliers and see if they are working on something. The truth is there have not been any good upgrades for even pre-LCI vehicles except the pricey OEM retrofit.

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The truth is there have not been any good upgrades for even pre-LCI vehicles except the pricey OEM retrofit.
Is there an OEM retrofit available? Is there a link? This question has been brought up a number of times to dealer, and the answers from foremen were always "No".
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Is there an OEM retrofit available? Is there a link? This question has been brought up a number of times to dealer, and the answers from foremen were always "No".
In my mind there has to be if you are willing to pay. Itís only about getting all the required parts.
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I am strongly considering getting these headlights. The headlights use a halogen bulb. As such, are the headlights any better than the OEM halogen headlights? The "angel eyes" are really cool, but if the actual headlights are no better the the OEM halogen headlights, I'm not sue if they're worth $600.
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Has anyone seen these?

https://www.amazon.com/SPPC-Projecto...J60DQ4TNDQRYPE
I would like to get these. I do not have a real issue with halogens, but i really like the look of these with the halo horseshoe rings. What would they cost to get installed? Any idea?
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One of our guys on the 335d Facebook page just upgraded a14 328d halogen to morimoto led projectors with halos the other day.
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