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I have no back issues, I just have track and performance driving issues: for those, I can only go sport seats. The regular BMW seats are lux package and WAY too soft. If you drive 100% sport mode, do track days, sport seats are crucial. Race seats would be even better but I don't think they would be so great for normal seven-day driving.
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I have no back issues, I just have track and performance driving issues: for those, I can only go sport seats. The regular BMW seats are lux package and WAY too soft. If you drive 100% sport mode, do track days, sport seats are crucial. Race seats would be even better but I don't think they would be so great for normal seven-day driving.
I would say you are in the less then 5% of BMW owner, even the people who have M sport cars with track package, I highly doubt they will b e tracking their cars...
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I would say you are in the less then 5% of BMW owner, even the people who have M sport cars with track package, I highly doubt they will b e tracking their cars...
Actually, we are probably just 1%: those who go sport package, manual transmission, sport mode only, double-clutching all downshifts, no xDrive, track days, BMW CCA, club tours, mixed summer performance tires year-round. Only BMW would bother to continue to satisfy us! Decade after decade, build your car, special order! Thank you, thank you, BMW!
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I have no back issues, I just have track and performance driving issues: for those, I can only go sport seats. The regular BMW seats are lux package and WAY too soft. If you drive 100% sport mode, do track days, sport seats are crucial. Race seats would be even better but I don't think they would be so great for normal seven-day driving.
the side bolsters on the multi-contour seats get tight enough for even my skinny frame to feel secure at the track. Some of my friends find them to get uncomfortably tight at the max setting. I like that the seats are versatile enough for me to do a 1000 mile road trip, and still feel snug at the track.

Honestly I didn't even realize how good the seats were in my first e60. It wasn't until I checked out a bunch of cars with blah seats that I realized I had to find another one with good seats.

as for back issues, I don't have any either - but when I had a rental maxima, or sat in a friend's Prius, I started to think I did.

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the side bolsters on the multi-contour seats get tight enough for even my skinny frame to feel secure at the track. Some of my friends find them to get uncomfortably tight at the max setting. I like that the seats are versatile enough for me to do a 1000 mile road trip, and still feel snug at the track.

Honestly I didn't even realize how good the seats were in my first e60. It wasn't until I checked out a bunch of cars with blah seats that I realized I had to find another one with good seats.

as for back issues, I don't have any either - but when I had a rental maxima, or sat in a friend's Prius, I started to think I did.



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Can't decide if the 328d is the way to go or not. I'm almost convinced it is but I have only ever had BMWs with the 4.4 engine. I currently drive a 2003 X5 and commute about 100 miles a day. In SoCal with premium about $4.29 a gal vs diesel at $2.99 a gal and with 45 mpg vs my miserable 18 mpg it seems like a no brainer. I just don't want to feel underpowered. All my driving is highway. But I've read about the N47 timing chain issue and I am having second thought. Anyone want to chime in?
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I am in a similar situation and just picked up a 328 x-drive two weeks ago, and live in NJ. My commute is about 105 miles a day, mostly on the highway. Considered going diesel but the dealer did not have any and needed a car within a week. If I use the eco-pro option and watch the revs, obey speed limit 55/65 (), I get 4 RT (410+ miles) and have a reserve of about 50 mile left, SO 460 mies total . In the normal comfort package with some nice sport mode choices during merging and zooming around at 80mph, i get about 410 miles total. So usually fill up after the 3rd RT with about 110 miles left in the tank. last thing i need is running out of gas on I-95 when its raining. LOVE the 328 xdrive on the highway, much better than the 320xi loaner i have now....
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Thanks for the feedback Matthew424. I know where all the diesel stations are so no chance of running out of gas. Anyway in my X5 I am spending about $6200 annually just in gas!
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Can't decide if the 328d is the way to go or not. I'm almost convinced it is but I have only ever had BMWs with the 4.4 engine. I currently drive a 2003 X5 and commute about 100 miles a day. In SoCal with premium about $4.29 a gal vs diesel at $2.99 a gal and with 45 mpg vs my miserable 18 mpg it seems like a no brainer. I just don't want to feel underpowered. All my driving is highway. But I've read about the N47 timing chain issue and I am having second thought. Anyone want to chime in?
Are you looking for people to talk you into it? Why not look at the 535d, 255hp and 413lbs of torque and much better MPG then 18
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Thanks, but I have a five series now. 2005 545i and it's just too big.
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I am in a similar situation and just picked up a 328 x-drive two weeks ago, and live in NJ. My commute is about 105 miles a day, mostly on the highway. Considered going diesel but the dealer did not have any and needed a car within a week. If I use the eco-pro option and watch the revs, obey speed limit 55/65 (), I get 4 RT (410+ miles) and have a reserve of about 50 mile left, SO 460 mies total . In the normal comfort package with some nice sport mode choices during merging and zooming around at 80mph, i get about 410 miles total. So usually fill up after the 3rd RT with about 110 miles left in the tank. last thing i need is running out of gas on I-95 when its raining. LOVE the 328 xdrive on the highway, much better than the 320xi loaner i have now....
All the NJ Tpk gas stations have diesel.
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Can't decide if the 328d is the way to go or not. I'm almost convinced it is but I have only ever had BMWs with the 4.4 engine. I currently drive a 2003 X5 and commute about 100 miles a day. In SoCal with premium about $4.29 a gal vs diesel at $2.99 a gal and with 45 mpg vs my miserable 18 mpg it seems like a no brainer. I just don't want to feel underpowered. All my driving is highway. But I've read about the N47 timing chain issue and I am having second thought. Anyone want to chime in?
You are the poster boy for a diesel vehicle. But if you don't feel comfortable with it, you shouldn't get one. I haven't driven one, but from everything I've read, the only way the 328d would feel "underpowered" is that it's slower 0-60, which is not a measurement that is typically relevant in day-to-day urban driving.
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The sport seats are way more comfortable in my opinion. I drove from Texas to RI in two days with no back issues.
I did a 1200 mile round trip with the sport seats and they are the most comfortable and supportive seats Ive ever had in a car. At the price point, I think they are the best seats in the business.. Obviously getting up to a 5 series, you'll have better seats but 3 series sport seats are where it's at and it is great news that they are standard on the 328i refresh. If you are wide person though, they won't work.

Nothing about a 328d or 320i is 'underpowered', in reality. Considering many people in Germany are doing 125mph on the Autobahn to work each day in little diesel cars with less power than either, I think its fine.

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Isn't 320i very basic? I am looking for something that has decent options as well since I will be driving it so much day in/day out.
You can option a 320i to the gills just like any BMW and pay thousands of dollars for all kinds of fluffy options. You cant option it as deep as a 328 or 335 though but that's not a bad thing, IMO. 320i has arguably more than any driver actually 'needs', just might not have what you want. A $32k 320i with sport package will have excellent sport seats, staggered performance summer tires, excellent M sport suspension and road feel, one of the nicest steering wheels in the business, an excellent gear box, auto start stop, 3 different driving modes, a good base stereo, iDrive, bluetooth, auto dual zone climate control, rain sensing wipers, etc. etc. etc. Anything beyond that are luxuries or features you want but don't need. For example, Ive driven cars for 23 years without any driver assist options, not even a backup camera and to this day, Ive never had an accident. So if you say you 'need' drivers assistance in your car, you can option that for your 320, but I would lose a lot of respect for you as a driver. That thing that beeps constantly when you are turning around in a parking lot, letting you know how much distance you have between you and another car - SO annoying. Thats what those mirrors are for.


I mean I've put this thing to the test with a couple of insanely long road trips and a ton of commuting and the only 2 things I have wished that I had time and time again are (1) HIDs because these are some of the weakest headlights I've ever had for night driving (2) heated seats (because I like them and they're good for low back pain and (3) auto dimming mirrors for night driving/comfort access for when my hands are full of groceries, etc. Bot none of those things I 'need' and all of them I could have gotten as options.

All That said, I wouldn't drive this thing even 2 weeks without tuning it so for me personally, it doesn't have enough power and neither does a 328d, but thats a personal preference thing. Even tuned this car doesn't have enough power for my liking. It's adequate, but not enough. I also want (vs. need) power seats, premium package, HID headlights and more power, so Im getting into a 328 LCI in a year. That should tick all the boxes.

Personally I would never in a million years pay that hefty of a price tag to drive a 180HP diesel car, especially since I get 36mpg highway regularly and average over 28mpg overall. It would still take you a very very long time to make up the price difference between a 320i and a 328d in fuel savings. Most likely many years.
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All the NJ Tpk gas stations have diesel.
i'm sure they do but I also dont want to stand in a long line at the NJ turnpike stations and pay 10+ cents/more a gallon for gasoline since i am using a credit card, not to mention inflated prices due to the location of the station. or get some excuse that they're out of premium fuel.

so i prefer to fill up at the exxon near my apartment where cash/credit is the same, and never had an issue with getting premium gas, or a 30 minute wait.
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For me being in Southern California there is a huge difference in the cost of diesel vs premium and when someone says that the 328i gets almost as good as mileage as the 328d in reality 33 mpg vs 45 mpg, it's about 22% less. Combine that with the fueling costs the diesel makes more and more sense.
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You are the poster boy for a diesel vehicle. But if you don't feel comfortable with it, you shouldn't get one. I haven't driven one, but from everything I've read, the only way the 328d would feel "underpowered" is that it's slower 0-60, which is not a measurement that is typically relevant in day-to-day urban driving.
I have driven a 328d Xdrive Touring/sportwagon/whateverucallit, and it feels quite peppy around town. is it faster than my 550i? no, but my 550i doesn't get 45mpg either.
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You are the poster boy for a diesel vehicle. But if you don't feel comfortable with it, you shouldn't get one. I haven't driven one, but from everything I've read, the only way the 328d would feel "underpowered" is that it's slower 0-60, which is not a measurement that is typically relevant in day-to-day urban driving.
In the day to day driving the 328d does not feel underpowered unless you but it again a bigger diesel engined car, but for most people the 328d is best for city driving and highway driving with it's better MPG
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Personally I would never in a million years pay that hefty of a price tag to drive a 180HP diesel car, especially since I get 36mpg highway regularly and average over 28mpg overall. It would still take you a very very long time to make up the price difference between a 320i and a 328d in fuel savings. Most likely many years.
Since the title of this thread is 328i or 328d the cost difference is roughly $1500, so not that big of a deal, since there are ways of getting the price down more, I would say one could get a 328d for almost the same price as a 328i. WIth the cost difference between Deisel and Premium Unleaded these days, the saving would happen much sooner. Here in Phoenix, there is an .80/g difference between the two. Getting 36 is great for our cars, but people have posted getting 50 MPG on the highway with thier 328d's, that is 14 miles better and .80/g cheaper the saving will happen much sooner. Just like our 320's you can get performance enhancements for the 328d too. Deisels are not for everybody, just like the 320i isn't for everybody.
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Can't decide if the 328d is the way to go or not. I'm almost convinced it is but I have only ever had BMWs with the 4.4 engine. I currently drive a 2003 X5 and commute about 100 miles a day. In SoCal with premium about $4.29 a gal vs diesel at $2.99 a gal and with 45 mpg vs my miserable 18 mpg it seems like a no brainer. I just don't want to feel underpowered. All my driving is highway. But I've read about the N47 timing chain issue and I am having second thought. Anyone want to chime in?
I was on the highway yesterday for 300 and change mileage. In parts I was doing 80-90 mph. At 80 it cruises at about 2000 rpm and has plenty more to give at that speed. My mileage was 49.1 mpg and would have been 50+ had it not been for the 80-90 mph stretch for about 100 miles. I love this car.
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well I think I'm sold on the diesel but anyone have any issues with the dreaded timing chain problem found in the N47 engine?
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well I think I'm sold on the diesel but anyone have any issues with the dreaded timing chain problem found in the N47 engine?
do you plan on buying the car then? I did a timing belt service on an Audi A4 through a dealership and it was about $2000 (labor/waterpump/belt). Car had almost 75k miles. At that level of mileage a lot of items start going bad (on most all cars...) and repair bills are $$$.
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Timing belt. Allegedly I could have made the change around 90k miles but too much to risk so had it done around 75k.
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That was a problem more prevalent in models 2009 and earlier and more with manual trans.
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Timing belt. Allegedly I could have made the change around 90k miles but too much to risk so had it done around 75k.
I believe the a4 is an interference engine so a timing belt failure would be the end of you engine so that was wise. A chain should have a fairly long life.
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