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The E36 chassis 3-Series BMW was a huge hit among driving enthusiasts from the first moment the car hit the pavement. The E36 won numerous awards over the years it was produced and is still a favorite of many BMW enthusiasts to this day! -- View the E36 Wiki

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Old 07-20-2015, 10:05 AM
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Thanks for the input Alex and Don.

Who all here is in the upstate/western NY area? I'll be heading to the Rochester area this weekend for a wedding. We're staying at a nice little B&B in the middle of nowhere and the wedding is at a wildlife park also located in the middle of nowhere. Woo 8 hour drive on Thursday!
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I might be going out on a limb here, probably sharing some old news to you older forum members,...But I only found out recently that the following 6 or 7 identical E36 M3 American lightweights belonged to one guy...guess who?
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Old 07-21-2015, 06:39 AM
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That's right man...that M1 alone are changing hands for anything upwards of €150,000 and one with 1650 km with the wrong wheels is going to the hammer in the following days predicted to fetch €600,000.
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Old 07-21-2015, 06:48 AM
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...our main BMW dealership in here in Cyprus has 2 that belong to the owner and are on display in the showroom, remember only 405 M1's were made....and for those wondering, Cyprus is about the size of Macy's shopping mall in NY and it would be quicker to go across the longest stretch of the island than to do the length of 5th Avenue...
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Yeah, we have about 3-4 of them here in Seattle, all owned by the same collector. My favorite of his is the BASF M1 from the M1 Procar series.

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Thanks for the input Alex and Don.

Who all here is in the upstate/western NY area? I'll be heading to the Rochester area this weekend for a wedding. We're staying at a nice little B&B in the middle of nowhere and the wedding is at a wildlife park also located in the middle of nowhere. Woo 8 hour drive on Thursday!
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Bingo. And I thought enthusiast auto in cincy was going to auction them off. I'd like to see them, but that dealer sells mint cars for crazy prices.



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Beautiful western NY. I just found out about the details. We're staying in Holley Thursday-Sunday. I could make some time to meet up, but I won't be bringing the m3. We're renting a car so my fiancée can help drive.
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I'm reaching a weird point regarding cars and I wonder who else has gone through this. I think Joey may have a while ago.

I've been wavering but I'm now pretty sure I'm selling the 7er. I have been looking through replacements and honestly.....nothing interests me. I just don't feel like I really want anything out there. When I have free time specifically to devote to cars, I'd rather be out exploring in the Rover with the family, or else on my bike. For a very long time, the entirety of my 7's existence has been to work in the morning, back home at night, and it doesn't usually move from Friday night until Monday morning again.

It makes me seriously tempted to just get something basic that I don't have to think about. A new Mazda6 is tempting. But then, that's not far off from just giving up and getting an Accord. Or something old and cheap to just go back and forth. But I don't want a cheap old beater when I spend so much of time in it. And I don't want to spend a bunch of money on something I don't love, either. A middle-of-the-road $15k car with 100k+ also sounds unappealing having to sink a bunch of money into it and still have maintenance bills creeping up.

So I don't know what to do. Anyone else felt this way? It's sort of a melancholy chapter for someone who loves cars so much.


Edit....sigh....I was actually a little excited about this Mazda6. Well optioned, and the only 6spd manual around for miles, and it's right next to my office. Thought I'd see what Autoblog thought and then I noticed a little something....

http://www.dublinmazda.com/inventory...gj1v69e1118872

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What am I missing in those links?

But yea, you're right, I can sympathize.

So, 6 years ago I thought I'd just drive BMWs made from 1990-2005 for the rest of my life. There was no shortage of models I loved. Maybe rotate through some 330is, E46 M3s, E39 540is and M5s, drive an M Coupe for a while, etc, etc.

But they you actually own one, or two, or three of them. You spend lots of nights in the garage, you feed the beast her fuel and/or shop bills. You start to learn the downsides, like the steering racks on V8 E39s suck to live with in the city, or how if you're really honest with yourself, you realize the E36/E46 is not a "good" car, in that you have to replace or upgrade like a dozen components on them before you can expect them to be even remotely reliable.

Then at the same time you're not a kid in school anymore, you don't have copious amounts of free time, you've got a career, a family, pets, a home to keep clean, chores that need to be done and food that needs to be cooked. Pretty much all the stuff your mom used to do for you when you were out in the garage, oh I dunno, trying to cobble together enough Suzuki GS500 parts to make a functioning motorcycle, just for a random example. ()

So because of those two things, knowing that owning an E39 M5 actually involves a lot of stress and isn't just like living one of those Clive Owen short films, your previous desire to collect all of the neat BMWs they made 20 years ago starts to evaporate, because you know what you're getting into and you're sick of dealing with it, and you've got other priorities anyway.

At least that's what happened to me, I think. I just couldn't stay on top of our 540i and the M3, partially because she never told me when it started having issues and never saved up any money to fix it, so that's why we got the Kia and it's been absolutely fantastic. Nothing but oil changes and scheduled maintenance so far.

Then earlier this year when I wanted to replace the old GTI i found myself torn between doing something "cool" (i.e. Old, unreliable, and would suck away all my money in the form of mods) or getting something with a warranty so that I'd just have a car that I could rely on to start and get me to work every single day for the next five years, and if it fails to do so, I have someone I can call and yell at until it's fixed.

When I do feel like working on a car, and I actually have the time for it, I just have one outlet for it, and there's enough work that needs to be done on that E36 to keep me occupied for a decade. It keeps things simple and keeps you from never making progress on your "project" because your daily drivers are also projects.

On top of that, the GTI is still extremely fun to drive and very well equipped so its not like I'm really selling my soul by driving it. I'm sure you could find a car that kept you out of the garage but still put a smile on your face if that's what you want.

I guess a shorter way to say it would've been when working on cars became a necessity in life, and other priorities and chores started to creep into the time that I used to spend elbow deep in some sort of motorized vehicle, I stopped enjoying it. Now that I've culled back the fleet to one reliable car, one German car with a full warranty, and only one maintenance whore that I don't actually need to drive, it's fun again.

So for you, if all you've really been enjoying lately is taking the Rover out or going for a ride on the bike, then liquidate the rest of your crap and make your daily driver(s) something with a warranty and a solid reliability rating. Focus on what you enjoy, and redistribute the time you aren't replacing control arms on your E38 back to the family or if you actually do have some uninterrupted free time, tinker with the Rover/Bike.
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I agree joey. I was thinking of getting an E39 wagon or an E46 wagon, but they all have high mileage. So I've decided I want to get a 335i sedan with low mileage. Should be reliable and fun to mod and luxurious. I'm growing tired of hearing a new noise I have to fix in my E30 everyday.

And on the plus side I have a company vehicle to get to work so I won't rack up a bunch of miles on a newer car.
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The license plate. The car for sale is the the long term test vehicle. Probably beaten hard by numerous auto journos. And it did a winter in Michigan. Carfax confirmed it as a manufacturer vehicle.

Haven't read the rest of your replies but I will tonight.
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I just got the electronics rust remover working on one of my cams and I have to say finding a "good" battery changer is a PITA. My dad has a little Black and Decker "smart" battery changer that I was originally planning on using. Yesterday, I set up everything and before I pored the water in, I tested the charger with a multi-meter to make sure it word. Apparently the changer has a safety feature that prevents it from sending current if it does not detect enough voltage from a battery . I spent about an hour looking for the "fcuk it, send power" mode before dicing to just buy a HF one. I figured there is no way something from HF would have extra safety features. When I got home today with my new HF charger, I quickly discovered it too will not sent power with out being connected to a battery. This things idea of an off switch is pulling the power cord, but god forbid it send power to a dead battery . I ended up having to grab the battery out of my e36 and hook it up to the charger and electronics tub simultaneity. The good news though is that the electronics is working beautifully. I can literally see the cam getting less rusty in less than a minute.

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That explains the nearly 50K on a one year old car.
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Eh, I don't see the point of owning an SUV unless you need a medium duty hauler. Unless you're hauling boats or other crap around on a regular basis, you'd be better served with an x-drive wagon. Also, the dash on that particular example looks kinda gross... You'd think they could've cleaned it up before posting it for sale.
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Joey, that's all a very good summary of how I'm feeling and I think just the natural progression of things in general. It rather sucks - I've been wrestling with it for a while because I want to enjoy it having a fleet of fun cars that I can drive and wrench on and just have fun. I just........don't actually enjoy it.

Working 60-80 hours a week, plus a 3hr round trip commute each day, and trying to have family time too doesn't leave any time for enjoyable wrenching. It's actually become a dread. I'd love to be clearing $200k a year and just be able to drop a car off any time I wanted at the shop without a thought about the bill. Since I can't do that, and don't want to turn wrenches on my daily, I think I need to do something else. That realization is a hard one though.


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I guess a shorter way to say it would've been when working on cars became a necessity in life, and other priorities and chores started to creep into the time that I used to spend elbow deep in some sort of motorized vehicle, I stopped enjoying it. Now that I've culled back the fleet to one reliable car, one German car with a full warranty, and only one maintenance whore that I don't actually need to drive, it's fun again.

So for you, if all you've really been enjoying lately is taking the Rover out or going for a ride on the bike, then liquidate the rest of your crap and make your daily driver(s) something with a warranty and a solid reliability rating. Focus on what you enjoy, and redistribute the time you aren't replacing control arms on your E38 back to the family or if you actually do have some uninterrupted free time, tinker with the Rover/Bike.
That first paragraph is exactly on the money. I think I won't mind wrenching on the Rover since it doesn't matter whether or not it's on the road. The idea that I can take 4 weeks to do a simple repair without it making a difference to anything is very liberating. In fact, I'm in the middle of replacing a CV joint, front diff, transfer case, brakes, and various seals. It's been enjoyable not having the stress of staying up until 130am trying to fix it so I can get to work the next day. But there's also that lingering stress that if something goes wrong with the E38 all the sudden, I am taking up my work room with the Rover and won't have a choice but to take it into the shop.

I think that's what I should do, but I also am bummed to spend much money on something I don't really love. The E38 still just feels so special when I walk up to it, which is why I also toss around the idea of just putting a bunch of money aside and buying a super cheap daily like an E46 and keeping a healthy maintenance reserve for it, but then I'd really be taking big steps away from what I want. So we'll see what happens, it just is an unexpected feeling for me.

Matt - I was looking at an E90 335i 6spd too. Beautiful blue over black sport interior. But then reality set in: the 335 is just not a reliable car. That's what I was talking about earlier. I'd be sinking $13k into a car, and still have big maintenance expenses. At that point, I think I'd rather spend $20k on a CPO that I don't have to worry about for another several years.
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I was reading a buying guide article three years ago in the"Bmw Car" magazine on the E90 335i and there was a paragraph headed "What goes wrong? "....The next line began with the word 'Plenty'... So that did it for me....
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Extreme reliability is defined like this: Having a Toyota Yiaris for 15 years until anything engine related needs attention,... This is the case with my wife 's where it needed a coil after 15 years and K 145 Kms....But then again a Toyota also provides extreme boredom but we keep it as a cheap run around car in the stable with the E39 and the M3....
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Eh, I don't see the point of owning an SUV unless you need a medium duty hauler. Unless you're hauling boats or other crap around on a regular basis, you'd be better served with an x-drive wagon. Also, the dash on that particular example looks kinda gross... You'd think they could've cleaned it up before posting it for sale.
Yeah I totally agree... The rising trend with all sizes of SUV'S is mind boggling to me...I mean why would someone choose to drive a car which inheritely has bad driving dynamics, a high centre of gravity, weighs as much as a small house, uneconomical and need a GPS guide to park...! Unless you're hauling boats on the weekend, it's pointless as much as I like X5's and X6's.
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I agree joey. I was thinking of getting an E39 wagon or an E46 wagon, but they all have high mileage. So I've decided I want to get a 335i sedan with low mileage. Should be reliable and fun to mod and luxurious. I'm growing tired of hearing a new noise I have to fix in my E30 everyday.

And on the plus side I have a company vehicle to get to work so I won't rack up a bunch of miles on a newer car.
Is the "company vehicle" a cruiser you get to take home? I used to see cruisers parked outside of people's houses all the time when I lived near roanoke but I don't think they allow it in Fairfax/Loudoun, or I just don't live near any cops I suppose.

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That first paragraph is exactly on the money. I think I won't mind wrenching on the Rover since it doesn't matter whether or not it's on the road. The idea that I can take 4 weeks to do a simple repair without it making a difference to anything is very liberating. In fact, I'm in the middle of replacing a CV joint, front diff, transfer case, brakes, and various seals. It's been enjoyable not having the stress of staying up until 130am trying to fix it so I can get to work the next day. But there's also that lingering stress that if something goes wrong with the E38 all the sudden, I am taking up my work room with the Rover and won't have a choice but to take it into the shop.

I think that's what I should do, but I also am bummed to spend much money on something I don't really love. The E38 still just feels so special when I walk up to it, which is why I also toss around the idea of just putting a bunch of money aside and buying a super cheap daily like an E46 and keeping a healthy maintenance reserve for it, but then I'd really be taking big steps away from what I want. So we'll see what happens, it just is an unexpected feeling for me.

Matt - I was looking at an E90 335i 6spd too. Beautiful blue over black sport interior. But then reality set in: the 335 is just not a reliable car. That's what I was talking about earlier. I'd be sinking $13k into a car, and still have big maintenance expenses. At that point, I think I'd rather spend $20k on a CPO that I don't have to worry about for another several years.
Doing my headgasket was pretty therapeutic because while I had some artificial deadlines for myself none of them actually mattered and I just took my time. I'm already planning what I'm going to do this winter, thinking I'll put a clutch in it, replace the clutch line and maybe rebuild the slave cylinder, do the rod bearings and replace the oil pan gasket and rebuild or upgrade the shifter. I'll probably take a month to do what could take a weekend if I was really motivated, but it'll all go back together squeaky clean without a bolt out of place and it'll be an enjoyable project.

As far as keeping the E38 and rocking an E46, if you're going to do that I'd really evaluate how important that Rover is to you, maybe it needs to move on so you can keep the E38 and tinker with that. And/or instead of buying an E46 just go hardcore economy car, drop $8k for a Mazda3 hatch that won't break once during the time you own it and use the gas/maintenance savings and what you get from liquidating the rest of your fleet to care for the E38.

The "sinking $13k into a car + maintenance" is something I really struggled with. You probably remember that Merc wagon I almost bought. I really wanted something that would be fun to own and have that high end euro feel, but I just kept coming back to the fact that getting a DD like that was just going to steal money and time away from E36, and I'd rather have one project making good progress than two that aren't.
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Joey, that's all a very good summary of how I'm feeling and I think just the natural progression of things in general. It rather sucks - I've been wrestling with it for a while because I want to enjoy it having a fleet of fun cars that I can drive and wrench on and just have fun. I just........don't actually enjoy it.

Working 60-80 hours a week, plus a 3hr round trip commute each day, and trying to have family time too doesn't leave any time for enjoyable wrenching. It's actually become a dread. I'd love to be clearing $200k a year and just be able to drop a car off any time I wanted at the shop without a thought about the bill. Since I can't do that, and don't want to turn wrenches on my daily, I think I need to do something else. That realization is a hard one though.



That first paragraph is exactly on the money. I think I won't mind wrenching on the Rover since it doesn't matter whether or not it's on the road. The idea that I can take 4 weeks to do a simple repair without it making a difference to anything is very liberating. In fact, I'm in the middle of replacing a CV joint, front diff, transfer case, brakes, and various seals. It's been enjoyable not having the stress of staying up until 130am trying to fix it so I can get to work the next day. But there's also that lingering stress that if something goes wrong with the E38 all the sudden, I am taking up my work room with the Rover and won't have a choice but to take it into the shop.

I think that's what I should do, but I also am bummed to spend much money on something I don't really love. The E38 still just feels so special when I walk up to it, which is why I also toss around the idea of just putting a bunch of money aside and buying a super cheap daily like an E46 and keeping a healthy maintenance reserve for it, but then I'd really be taking big steps away from what I want. So we'll see what happens, it just is an unexpected feeling for me.

Matt - I was looking at an E90 335i 6spd too. Beautiful blue over black sport interior. But then reality set in: the 335 is just not a reliable car. That's what I was talking about earlier. I'd be sinking $13k into a car, and still have big maintenance expenses. At that point, I think I'd rather spend $20k on a CPO that I don't have to worry about for another several years.
I need to do more research. Gotta be more reliable than a 24 year old E30 though.
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