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Old 01-17-2005, 02:03 PM
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I have never driven a rear wheel drive car...just got 2005 330ci with performance package and much more..drove it to the gym just to see how it would react in the snow and i almost died ...twisting and turning every which way...spinning in and out i couldnt believe...meanwhile i was driving 2mph
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Old 01-17-2005, 02:05 PM
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It's not the RWD as much as it is the performance tires which are making you slide all over.
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Old 01-17-2005, 02:05 PM
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i hear ya,
i just put on snows. Bought a set of preowned 17x7.5 and put on Blizzak ws-50. The car now handles fanstastic in the snow
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Old 01-17-2005, 02:11 PM
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Are you running on summer tires?

RWD is not the problem, the tires are

You really need winter tires or, at the very least, all seasons tires for snow.

If you think you can survive without them, I got a story to tell you about $2200 of assorted e46 parts, including 2 rims, a tie rod, and a steering box.

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Old 01-17-2005, 02:18 PM
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I am from NY as well and used to use Contitouring all-season tires for winter use on a set of type 44 wheels ... they were excellent in the snow


You could kill yourself with the sports package or performance package summer tires.
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Old 01-17-2005, 02:20 PM
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i hear ya,
i just put on snows. Bought a set of preowned 17x7.5 and put on Blizzak ws-50. The car now handles fanstastic in the snow
The WS-50s are tank treads for winter I have them on my 5er and they work great.
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Old 01-17-2005, 02:47 PM
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I have never driven a rear wheel drive car...just got 2005 330ci with performance package and much more..drove it to the gym just to see how it would react in the snow and i almost died ...twisting and turning every which way...spinning in and out i couldnt believe...meanwhile i was driving 2mph
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Old 01-17-2005, 07:05 PM
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The wagon, rear wheel drive only, not AWD, is without a doubt the best handling car I've ever driven in the snow. Of course, this is with four Dunlop WinterSport M2s on there. Driving on the summer tires would be deadly.

If you live where it snows, get the winter tires. Save the summer rims from potholes and salt and save yourself from sliding off the road.
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One of my friends has a S2000 with S03s. He was blaming the car (being RWD) because it wouldn't go anywhere in the snow. HELLO???
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Old 01-18-2005, 04:54 AM
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another idea ( and i am assuming you haven't driven a rear wheel drive car in the winter before) is to take your car to a large snowy parking lot some where and drive it around throw it into slides get a feel for how it reacts.. have fun (don't get arrested) it will give you an excellent feel for how the car reacts to diferent situations.. and remember traction control isn't always you friend in the snow... it sounds stupid to say that but you lose alot of contol with it on.. i personally turn it off in the snow.. just my preference..
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Old 01-18-2005, 05:48 AM
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I have never driven a rear wheel drive car...just got 2005 330ci with performance package and much more..drove it to the gym just to see how it would react in the snow and i almost died ...twisting and turning every which way...spinning in and out i couldnt believe...meanwhile i was driving 2mph

Almost died? Spinning out? Did you have DSC off? If you did, then all I can think is .
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I know it will never happen but dealers should warn buyers who purchase cars with sport suspensions and performance tires that they need purchase winter tires for their new car.

A couple of weeks ago I had to help push a neighbors Cadillac with performance tires that became stuck just backing out of his garage. The guy complained to me the car has been nothing but trouble when it snows. Obviously he hasn't a clue (like the majority of car buyers), about the need for winter tires on a RWD car that comes equipped with summer only performance tires.
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I know it will never happen but dealers should warn buyers who purchase cars with sport suspensions and performance tires that they need purchase winter tires for their new car.
My dealer did. Even more, when going for a test drive in November and in the rain I was warned that it had summer tires on and to be very carefull. My brother on the other hand just test drove an is300 with summers and the saleswoman told him after he step the tail out!
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Old 01-18-2005, 06:29 AM
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ARTSLINGER you are so correct....the dealer said NOTHING about getting winter tires!!! The problem is i dunno if i can afford to get another set of rims...will 18" winter tires be sufficient enough in New York weather? please help guys..thanks
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Old 01-18-2005, 06:36 AM
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ARTSLINGER you are so correct....the dealer said NOTHING about getting winter tires!!! The problem is i dunno if i can afford to get another set of rims...will 18" winter tires be sufficient enough in New York weather? please help guys..thanks

A word of advice.

DO NOT drive the car if there will be snow on the road. If you can't afford a brand new winter set buy a set of used rims and winter tires and replace the used snows in a year or two if needed. You should be able to pick up a set of used for half to a third the price of a new set.
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I have never driven a rear wheel drive car...just got 2005 330ci with performance package and much more..drove it to the gym just to see how it would react in the snow and i almost died ...twisting and turning every which way...spinning in and out i couldnt believe...meanwhile i was driving 2mph
A lot of this depends on driving style and snow tires.

I have never lived in a climate where snow tires were needed...one measureable snow a year at most, and even then no more than 2~3 inches. On those rare occasions, I was caught on snow with my summer tires, I found the car to be VERY stable and easily controled when driven carefully. Wheel slip was minimal, minimal ABS/ACS intervention due to excelent car balance and feedbak allowing me to tell what the car was doing.

I have never driven an AWD car, but my RWD BMW is far better in the snow than any FWD car I have owned/driven.
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ARTSLINGER you are so correct....the dealer said NOTHING about getting winter tires!!! The problem is i dunno if i can afford to get another set of rims...will 18" winter tires be sufficient enough in New York weather? please help guys..thanks

I really don't mean any disrespect or offense, but I would think that someone would know this before selecting ZHP and buying such an expensive car. Please don't take that statement personally, I'm just surprised that you weren't aware of that on your own.
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I have all-seasons and DSC on. I find they are working very well.

Yesterday I tried to turn off DSC once but quickly I found I should never do that again.
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I really don't mean any disrespect or offense, but I would think that someone would know this before selecting ZHP and buying such an expensive car. Please don't take that statement personally, I'm just surprised that you weren't aware of that on your own.
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Darwin must have been napping. Consider yourself lucky.
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Darwin must have been napping. Consider yourself lucky.
This from the guy who insists on driving his S-03 shod E36 M3 in the snow when he damned well knows how useless it is?
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This from the guy who insists on driving his S-03 shod E36 M3 in the snow when he damned well knows how useless it is?
Oh, how many times do I have to repeat to you that when it snows (or even threatens to snow) the M3 doesn't leave the garage. Why should I buy snows for a car that I can just elect to NOT USE when the weather is bad?

And, BTW, it's wearing PS2s now, not S-03s. And I will never know how useless they are in snow.

The Saab is wearing all-seasons now and I plan to take it tomorrow as we're forecast to get, what, 1 inch. My M3 will be warm indoors.
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Yeah, a BMW is completely useless in the snow - I'll give you $20k to take it off your hands!
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