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BMW 5-Series E60 Sedan was first seen in the Unites States in the fall of 2003 with a 2004 Model Year designation. The E61 wagon followed shortly there after. The E60/E61 5 series is now available as a 528i, 528xi, 535i, 535xi, 550i and a 535xi sports wagon! -- View the E60 Wiki

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Old 05-27-2020, 11:21 AM
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E60 intake manifolds

Love the forum guys. Great job. My question is with the intake from a 328I 3.0L work on my 525i? I know the 325 intake is more durable for added turbos. And help??? The BMW parts catalog has them as the same part number. It's just a difference in the shape. Reason for this is that my original intake had a chunk explode from it, resulting from a stage 3 VF Engineering stage 3 supercharger. It didnt blow on the dyno, waited till I was going to work. Thanks in advance for any help.
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Old 05-27-2020, 11:40 AM
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Are both engines N52?
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Old 05-27-2020, 11:50 AM
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I'm wanting to say mine is the n54 production date of 10/2004 . And the intake I'm questioning is a n52
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Old 05-29-2020, 06:24 AM
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The E90 328i came with an N52; this will fit on the E60 N52.

The E90 335i came with an N54; I believe these still fit on the N52, but they provide no benefit AFAIK.
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Old 05-29-2020, 04:39 PM
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I have the N54 2.5L but the n54 2.5 intake and the n54 2.8 L have the same exact intake. The n52 dont have the air control diffuser. Is there possibly a ecu flash that would eliminate those controls, and I could just run full boost from the supercharger. I'm pulling my hair here
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Old 05-29-2020, 04:46 PM
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I have the N54 2.5L but the n54 2.5 intake and the n54 2.8 L have the same exact intake. The n52 dont have the air control diffuser. Is there possibly a ecu flash that would eliminate those controls, and I could just run full boost from the supercharger. I'm pulling my hair here
If you have a 2004 model year car there is no way you can have an N54 engine. That engine didn't exist in 2004. And, don't take this unkindly....if you don't know what engine you have, you probably shouldn't think about modifying the engine.
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Old 05-29-2020, 05:08 PM
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I have the N54 2.5L but the n54 2.5 intake and the n54 2.8 L have the same exact intake. The n52 dont have the air control diffuser. Is there possibly a ecu flash that would eliminate those controls, and I could just run full boost from the supercharger. I'm pulling my hair here
I didnt due the tunes to the car..purchased it with the modifications. And thru a 2 year research the car shows a 2.5 L N54 motor, but the options from the dealer shows it is the 2.8 L N54... I'm just now getting to the root of the gremlin of the car. Lol.. I've had a Nopi built Chevy, that I done myself as a hobby. This is my first BMW and I'm learning more and more every day. But when I cross reference part numbers and specs with my laptop just for this car....the engineer in me sees the possibilities are endless, but it's the programming I'm not understanding... not like the x, y, and z axis I use daily. I do know as far as aftermarket .. Its out the window for the E60 series.
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Old 05-29-2020, 05:10 PM
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And the car is titled as a 2005. Its mfg data is 09/2004
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Old 05-30-2020, 11:32 AM
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Post the last 7 digits of your VIN.
Take a picture of the engine with the hood up and post it.
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Post the last 7 digits of your VIN.
Take a picture of the engine with the hood up and post it.

As you see , im breaking her down to remove the intake. Here is the vin also. Again..this my first bmw and im not giving up on her. I love the e60 bodys, comfort...and performance. So far its the first 525i with the supercharger and the Hid Zenon w/active drive. I ha rnt gotten into the electrical gremlin yet..i wanna master the INPA and Wink32. So any help on it all is greatly appreciated
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Old 05-30-2020, 06:34 PM
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Realoem.com is your parts friend.

M54 is the engine the car came with. It looks like you still have the M54 in there with a Vortech supercharger.
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Old 05-31-2020, 08:16 PM
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Realoem.com is your parts friend.

M54 is the engine the car came with. It looks like you still have the M54 in there with a Vortech supercharger.

Thats what the record shows .. but the more i dig into this car..the more things change. My intake is supposed to be the n54.. 2.5L.. but when i compare it to another 2.5 intake...it doesnt match. It matches more to the 2.8 or 3.0L with the DiSa controls. I ran into the same issue when i was ordering lights for it. The orginal wiring in the drivers side shorted from the insulation crumbling internally. By the vin, it said holagen lights...but the ones installed on the car are the HID Zenon w/adaptive drive... so i was already out 1200 for the holagen..no return..just to order another full set at 2000 for the full assemblies. So yea..my local dealer parts guy love seeing me walk in the door. And i havent even really gotten into the "bugs" in the system. So any help i greatly appreciate. And again. Thanks for all the knowledge you experenced BMW owners/ specialists are willing to depart from
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Old 06-01-2020, 05:58 AM
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Unless you have time and money and a spare car and truly enjoy a projecy car, get rid of this now. It will only be more and more trouble. It is a hacked up car and you'll never know what's been modified and how it's been modified. And, finding out will take time and more time and more time and then money and more money.
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Old 06-01-2020, 07:02 AM
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The base foundation is solid..was thinking about just changing the ecu with a new and and start from there. As for the supercharger...VF Engineering is still backing thier system cause its still on the installed car. They haved changed thier programming since and gone to something different. and its not that exp...since i got the equp.
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I just truely wonder what the reall hp could get to...
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With port injection, about 300HP with high flow injectors. The limiting factor quickly becomes the fuel system. After that you're probably look at a meth kit, bigger intercooler, or a 340i.

There's no high pressure fuel pump and no direct injection so you can only add fuel during the intake cycle at low pressure. You only have a split second each cycle - 2000 rpm is 33 cycles per second. ESS kit didn't come with an intercooler but it does have the larger injectors and about 7psi of boost to match the fuelling limits while keeping compression cool due to lack of intercooler.
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Old 06-02-2020, 04:35 AM
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Unless you have time and money and a spare car and truly enjoy a projecy car, get rid of this now. It will only be more and more trouble. It is a hacked up car and you'll never know what's been modified and how it's been modified. And, finding out will take time and more time and more time and then money and more money.

I have to agree with you. I spent all in all with my E60 over 10,000 in the last two years. And is still not working.


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Old 06-03-2020, 10:55 PM
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With port injection, about 300HP with high flow injectors. The limiting factor quickly becomes the fuel system. After that you're probably look at a meth kit, bigger intercooler, or a 340i.

There's no high pressure fuel pump and no direct injection so you can only add fuel during the intake cycle at low
pressure. You only have a split second each cycle - 2000 rpm is 33 cycles per second. ESS kit didn't come with an intercooler but it does have the larger injectors and about 7psi of boost to match the fuelling limits while keeping compression cool due to lack of intercooler.

I have the 40 lb bigger injectors...the dinan fuel pump upgrade..and it was pulling 340bhp at 8 psi boost. Changing the boost for the supercharger..is what caused the intake to blow a chunk from it. The N52 done away with the disa system and the intake is different... is there a program delete for the disa controls? So i can run an aftermarket intake to withstand the added boost. I am thinking of adding NoS port injection to the system
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Old 06-04-2020, 08:30 AM
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I'm wanting to say mine is the n54 production date of 10/2004 . And the intake I'm questioning is a n52
Your engine is the M54 and not the N54.

Your vin in RealOEM reveals:
https://www.realoem.com/bmw/enUS/select?vin=b167991

I would not expect that an N series engine manifold would fit onto an M series engine.
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I highly suspect they're all interchangeable, as they are all generations of the se 3.0L I6 engine. They look the same. Are the mounting holes in the same locations?

Program delete? Unplug them when they're in the open position. But they'll still exist unless you cut them out. Or if you want to play, buy an N54 intake that's already designed for boost.
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Look at the images of manifolds and cylinder heads from RealOEM for the M54, N52, and N54.

Note the mounting stud holes and the intake manifold gaskets. Also look at the heads and the mounting stud locations.

From all of BBQ Kings post, he still believes his car has the N54. His vin and the picture of his cars engine shows it to be the M54.

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Look at the images of manifolds and cylinder heads from RealOEM for the M54, N52, and N54.

Note the mounting stud holes and the intake manifold gaskets. Also look at the heads and the mounting stud locations.

From all of BBQ Kings post, he still believes his car has the N54. His vin and the picture of his cars engine shows it to be the M54.

No..i believe it is the m54. Its been a odd time with this car. Ive looked at the Oem website and done alot of looking. And even pulled the part number off the orginal intake. It pulls up for the m54 2.5/2.8 l engine. Which one to go with? Or should i just see avout a custom one? But then i still got to deal with the port injection.. disa...and programming. Im at a lost for axtion on where to go further with this car. I did find another m54 manifold on another motor for sale with 89000 miles. Whloe motor i can get for a steal...maybe i should go that route...swap intakes ... and not deal with addiinn more boost? Its got enough power now with the upgrades it already has. But then i wanna see more bhp.
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Old 06-07-2020, 11:23 AM
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No..i believe it is the m54. Its been a odd time with this car. Ive looked at the Oem website and done alot of looking. And even pulled the part number off the orginal intake. It pulls up for the m54 2.5/2.8 l engine. Which one to go with? Or should i just see avout a custom one? But then i still got to deal with the port injection.. disa...and programming. Im at a lost for axtion on where to go further with this car. I did find another m54 manifold on another motor for sale with 89000 miles. Whloe motor i can get for a steal...maybe i should go that route...swap intakes ... and not deal with addiinn more boost? Its got enough power now with the upgrades it already has. But then i wanna see more bhp.
If you believe it is the M54, then why did you write that you have the N54 at every post above your last one?

You also seem convinced that the N52 intake will fit your M54, an indications that you actually still believe that your engine is the N54.

We've been trying to tell you that your engine is not the N54 but the M54. The intake manifolds do not appear to be interchangeable unless you mod them with some type of adapter (from the images from REALoem).

Look for yourself and go to REALoem. View the images of an N52/N54 intake manifold where it bolts to the head. Look at the heads for the N52 and similar N54, where the manifold stud locations are. Look at the shape of the intake port on the heads and at the shape of the intake manifold gaskets.

Now compare those images of the N52/N54 to the M54 engines intake manifold and head.

The N52 and N54 'appear' to be interchangeable (just looking at the images), but the M54 is a generation engine older and from the pictures look to have different intake stud locations, port shapes, and intake gaskets.


Toward the end of your post makes sense though, to get another M54 manifold and reduce boost. Or better yet, remove the super charger and sell it, and your car, and buy a 535i (if you want to stay with the E60), especially as you wrote you want more power.
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Old 06-09-2020, 10:30 AM
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OK, I see where the confusion came from, I think you meant M52 but somehow N got in the discussion. This would match up with you asking about the manifold from the 528/328 engine. The M52 predates the E60 as detailed in the following wiki page:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BMW_M52

As you wrote earlier, perhaps a pre-1998 or pre-TU (Technical-Update) M52 intake without DISA may be a good option if everything bolts up. Lets us know what you decide to do and how it works out.
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