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Old 09-16-2019, 02:05 AM
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For how long will you keep your bimmer?

Like the title says, for how long are you planning on keeping your current F3x car?
Just asking out of curiosity and i want to get an idea for how long people usually keep these cars
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Cars don't last forever. At some point they become unreliable, with an increased change of disrupting your life on a regular basis. Here's my depreciation and maintenance costs for an E46 M3. After this experience, my goal is to have the new owner pick up their BMW on the day after the odometer hits 100000.
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Like the title says, for how long are you planning on keeping your current F3x car?
Just asking out of curiosity and i want to get an idea for how long people usually keep these cars
Got a 19 X3 30i. We have two cars and only put about 5,000 or so miles on this one a year. This is better than sliced bread so we will be keeping it a good long time. I sold my 05 Chevy SSR which I bought new in 10/04 with 43,000 miles on it when I bought my 18 440i vert in 9/17. So as you can see I keep my cars a good long time. That's why I custom order my cars and getting exactly what I want!

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Got a 19 X3 30i. We have two cars and only put about 5,000 or so miles on this one a year. This is better than sliced bread so we will be keeping it a good long time. I sold my 05 Chevy SSR which I bought new in 10/04 with 43,000 miles on it when I bought my 18 440i vert in 9/17. So as you can see I keep my cars a good long time. That's why I custom order my cars and getting exactly what I want!

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My average for a new car is over nine years and almost 120k miles.
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My goal is at least 8~9 years. Longer if I can manage or odd circumstances dictate a change. It's not uncommon to have cars in my driveway with over 100K miles. My wife's last car was sold with 190K on the odo and her current one has 200K+ and it's still running great (thank you Toyota!) I kept my last BMW (E46) for 7 years and ran up 130K miles. I would have kept it much longer if it hadn't been for an overseas move drove me to sell it.

I plan on keeping my 435 for a very long time. At some point when it starts to become expensive to own I still might keep it out of principle. At the rate the automotive landscape is changing, there may not be any affordable enthusiast cars to replace it by then.
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I am thinking more in terms of miles than years and would like to take this car to 200k (currently 7 yrs old and sitting at 97k). I doubt I will reach 200k though because I expect that by that point the frequency of repairs and associated inconvenience will not be worth my time. But I hope to make it to at least 150k. With my current commute, the odo will hit 150k in another 3.5 years.
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Old 09-16-2019, 08:30 AM
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My 2013 F30 N26 is almost 7 yrs and 70000 miles, and my plan is to keep at least 10 years/100000 miles.

My last E39 M54 was kept 12 years and 100000 miles.

But if current car's TC causes engine to die and BMW does not fix for free, then the car will be sold to indies or donated, and the next car will not be BMW!
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Before I retired I usually turned over cars every 5 years. It was a requirement of my company's vehicle reimbursement program. I have had my 2014 328i for 5 years last month. It has 75,000 miles and is in great shape. I plan to keep it as long as it doesn't start getting expensive.
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In the U.S. market, the average period of ownership for new cars is 8.4 years according to iSeeCars.

BMW 3-Series owners (all generations) keep their cars more than a year longer than the average. At 9.5 years, BMW 3-Series ties Toyota Camry for the passenger car model that owners hold on to the second longest (Toyota Avalon owners held on their cars the longest).
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In the U.S. market, the average period of ownership for new cars is 8.4 years according to iSeeCars.

BMW 3-Series owners (all generations) keep their cars more than a year longer than the average. At 9.5 years, BMW 3-Series ties Toyota Camry for the passenger car model that owners hold on to the longest.
Something there didn't seem right. Where'd you get that .jpg? ….. a BMW salesman?

Here's the link...

https://www.iseecars.com/cars-kept-longest-2018-study

The link cites a 2018 study, and it doesn't show the BMW 3 Series, or any other BMW, as being one of the new cars owned the longest.

8.4 years was the average for the ten models that owners kept the longest. Overall, the average time a new car buyer keeps a car is 7.4 years. I'd read that number somewhere before on the Interwebs.

Also, about 55% of new BMW's put on the road are leased, and the smaller ones are lease in greater proportion than the larger ones. The sweet spot for a BMW lease is three years. Four year leases are actually more expensive. So, with 55+% of 3's being leased, that would bring the average for 3's way down, unless they're not counting leases in the statistics.

Here's another article listing the top ten cars for deprecation in the fist five years (by percent). The BMW 5, 6, and 7 all made the list.

https://www.businessinsider.com/cars...t-impala-662-1

Here's another list of the cars that depreciated the most in three years. The 3 Series made that list.

https://www.businessinsider.com.au/b...seecars-2018-6


I look up the KBB values of my cars on the anniversaries of their purchases. After five years and 57k miles, my 2014 535i was worth 30.1% of MSRP (KBB private sale, very good condition). That's a little better than the what was stated in the BI article, but not much.

All those three year old, leased BMW's hitting the used car market is why BMW's depreciate so much. Also, sedans are taking a beating in the market. People want SUV's now. Big coupe's, like the 6 Series, have always had a limited appeal to new car buyers, and a corresponding limited appeal in the used car market.

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Old 09-22-2019, 10:42 AM
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Going to keep it until it gets wrecked. The car does everything I need it to exceptionally well. Not ultra concerned with maint/repairs as I plan to DIY most/any repairs when required. Plan to uutilized used parts when it makes sense like adaptive LED headlights failure.
Fully loaded and near mint, the car is not replaceable apples for apples, it's a member of the family.
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Going to keep it until it gets wrecked. The car does everything I need it to exceptionally well. Not ultra concerned with maint/repairs as I plan to DIY most/any repairs when required. Plan to uutilized used parts when it makes sense like adaptive LED headlights failure.
Fully loaded and near mint, the car is not replaceable apples for apples, it's a member of the family.
What model is your F30? How many miles?

DIY on some of the F30 maintenance/repair is not simple for weekend mechanics, e.g. check out ZF HP45 fluid service, and VCG repair(!!!)
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What model is your F30? How many miles?

DIY on some of the F30 maintenance/repair is not simple for weekend mechanics, e.g. check out ZF HP45 fluid service, and VCG repair(!!!)
16 F31 328d. Understood on the DIY aspect... definitely not for everyone. Not only driving dynamics and user interfaces, I prefer to work on BMWs over Mercedes/VAG, so it's a good fit. Expecting some challenges but mostly easy stuff.
With the f31 328d being the only diesel powered AWD station wagon built for the US market, and now past with low production, the model is a true gem.
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The 3 series no longer is sold with a manual transmission. Therefore, unless my F30 becomes unreliable, I plan to not buy a G20 (3 series) and keep my F30 until the post G-20 generation (maybe H30???). This could be in 2027/2028. It's possible that I might keep my F30 until the updated post G-20 (H30???) which might be in 2029 when my car will be 16 years old. I was originally thinking of getting a 2020 330i until I found out that manuals are not available.
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The 3 series no longer is sold with a manual transmission. Therefore, unless my F30 becomes unreliable, I plan to not buy a G20 (3 series) and keep my F30 until the post G-20 generation (maybe H30???). This could be in 2027/2028. It's possible that I might keep my F30 until the updated post G-20 (H30???) which might be in 2029 when my car will be 16 years old. I was originally thinking of getting a 2020 330i until I found out that manuals are not available.
G20 is getting a bit big and MT can be a bit tedious. The 2-series though is coupe, and a bit small. It would be nice if BMW has a sedan the size of E90/F30-ish in the future, and still offers MT.
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Something there didn't seem right. Where'd you get that .jpg? ….. a BMW salesman?
Sorry Autoputzer, here is the link to the iSeeCars 2019 study entitled "New Cars Owners Keep the Longest": https://www.iseecars.com/cars-kept-longest-2019-study

And here is where I got the graphic. It's not maintained by a BMW salesman. https://drive.google.com/drive/u/0/f...IazLiEoR7esZrw

Also, I corrected my previous post to indicate that BMW 3-Series ranks #2 among passenger cars on that list. Toyota Avalon is #1.
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I'm still calling shenanigans.

The changes from the iSeeCars.com story for 2018 and the one from 2019 are mathematically impossible. In 2018 the BMW 3 Series didn't make the top ten list where the Toyota Corolla was #10 at 7.3 years. That means that a BMW 3 Series average had to be something below 7.3 years. Yet, for 2019 BMW 3 Series' average is supposedly 9.5 years. The most it could possibly increase would be to 8.3 years, and that's only if it just below the Toyota Corolla's average age in 2018 and nobody who bought or lease a new 3 Series sold or turned their least cars back in in 2019.

The reported average time of new car ownership for passenger cars went from 7.3 years in 2018 to 8.4 years in 2019. That would mathematically require that no new passenger car buyers sold their cars in 2019.

It looks like Julie Blackley, the author of both iSeeCars.com articles, is just recycling year old articles and pulling new data out of her ass. I'm sure the Interwebs Police will be after her, because you can't put anything on the Interwebs that isn't true. ….. and I'm a French model. Uhhh, bon jour!


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The 3 series no longer is sold with a manual transmission. Therefore, unless my F30 becomes unreliable, I plan to not buy a G20 (3 series) and keep my F30 until the post G-20 generation (maybe H30???). This could be in 2027/2028. It's possible that I might keep my F30 until the updated post G-20 (H30???) which might be in 2029 when my car will be 16 years old. I was originally thinking of getting a 2020 330i until I found out that manuals are not available.

The 2 Series is the only non-M BMW sold in the U.S. now with a stick. I was halfway thinking about grabbing a 230i or an M2C before they go away. There's an aftermarket spare tire solution for the 230i. But, I can't find one for the M2C. Also, 230i's depreciate a lot faster than 330i's. I ran lease numbers using MSRP's for a 230i and a 330i. The MSRP of the 230i was $4700 less than a similarly equipped 330i. Yet, the lease payment for the 230i was $38/month more. I don't lease, but lease payments are a good predictor of depreciation. I've decided to keep my six-speed F10 2014 535i, one of the last ones BMW built.

I'm coming to terms with the eight-speed automatic in Frau Putzer's X3. Also, automatic significantly improve fuel economy. I went on a 20-mile gasoline and Hardee's biscuit run in the X3 this morning and got 28.7 MPG.

I currently have two cars: an expensive BMW and a cheap beater. At some point, I might cut back to just one car, a relatively inexpensive BMW. I see the 330i as sort of a $50k Toyota Corolla... although, you can still get a manual in a Corolla.

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i'm thinking about keeping my car until the G20 3 series comes to Israel and the prices start going down then i'm gonna pick up a decent spec G20

here in Israel, i have noticed that when people buy luxury cars they tend to keep only for 2-3 years and then go on to the next, but when it comes to "normal" cars such as toyotas they keep them for quite some time.
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here in Israel, i have noticed that when people buy luxury cars they tend to keep only for 2-3 years and then go on to the next, but when it comes to "normal" cars such as toyotas they keep them for quite some time.
Is "they" the same people? Because, if not, it is pretty obvious isn't it? Non-lux car buyers cannot afford to keep changing cars every 2-3 years.

If "they" is the same people, it is probably because of the misplaced notion (or legitimate concern when it comes to certain manufacturers/models) that these cars are unreliable.
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Is "they" the same people? Because, if not, it is pretty obvious isn't it? Non-lux car buyers cannot afford to keep changing cars every 2-3 years.

If "they" is the same people, it is probably because of the misplaced notion (or legitimate concern when it comes to certain manufacturers/models) that these cars are unreliable.
i read the comments and saw that a lot of people are keeping bmw's for a long period of time whereas here in Israel luxury car owners get rid of them quickly due to reliability concerns and the really bad drops in value..

and so usually people that own a toyota for example, keep their cars for a long period of time, they don't lose a lot of value and they are really reliable.
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i read the comments and saw that a lot of people are keeping bmw's for a long period of time whereas here in Israel luxury car owners get rid of them quickly due to reliability concerns and the really bad drops in value..

and so usually people that own a toyota for example, keep their cars for a long period of time, they don't lose a lot of value and they are really reliable.
Does your locale have good mechanics that charge reasonable labor rates? How about dealer service, do they charge exuberant prices?

One consideration of owning these German cars long-term is to have access to discounted parts(including BMW logo ones) and dependable experience(which can include DIY too).
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Does your locale have good mechanics that charge reasonable labor rates? How about dealer service, do they charge exuberant prices?

One consideration of owning these German cars long-term is to have access to discounted parts(including BMW logo ones) and dependable experience(which can include DIY too).
an oil change is 280$ through the dealer, so yeah.. not reasonable at all.
parts and pretty much everything is expensive too.. german cars are pretty much expensive to maintain and fix here..
Just to show you how expensive these cars are here in israel here are a few examples
A base BMW F30 costs 62K US Dollars,
A BMW M2 Competition begins at 170K US Dollars.
The "Normal" BMW F90 M5 begins at 330K US Dollars.
The BMW M850i costs somewhere around 370k.

hope you get an idea of how bad we have it here in israel
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My plan is to keep my car for around 10 years or until the maintenance becomes too encumbering. Five years in approaching 80k miles, she is still quite strong. Next up on the list of preventative maintenance will be new control arms in which I'll make the upgrade to the M3/M4 arms.
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My plan is to keep my car for around 10 years or until the maintenance becomes too encumbering. Five years in approaching 80k miles, she is still quite strong. Next up on the list of preventative maintenance will be new control arms in which I'll make the upgrade to the M3/M4 arms.
What have been done on your car so far? Plugs, AT fluid + filter, coolant, diff oil?
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