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Old 10-03-2018, 07:50 PM
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Good evening !!!

2 weeks back I suddenly felt vibration in my car when I was waiting for green signal in traffic. After that vibration continued and engine light came on. I was not aware what happened, so I pulled over and stoped and started again. Engine light went off and car was smooth. Once I started driving I got the same issue..

Then I decided to visit one repair shop. They did a scan and told, there is a misfire in cylinder 6 and ignition coil needs to be replaced + Vano also. After opening he told spark plugs are original BMW and that also needs to be replaced. So, all total came to $600.

After heavy bill, everything was good. After 1 week again the jerk and vibration started with engine light on. I don't want to spend so much again. So, thought to do diagnosis by myself and if possible, I can DIY for any small changes.

Here comes the problem. I did a search on google and came to know INPA with DCAN cable, I can do diagnosis same as BMW shop. but I am not getting clear idea if this process will work for 2008 BMW 528xi model.

Can anyone please confirm on this? Will INPA software with a K+DCAN cable from ebay will work for 2008 528xi model?

or any other process/method I can use to scan my car ?


Thanks a lot !!
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Old 10-03-2018, 07:53 PM
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Can anyone please confirm on this? Will INPA software with a K+DCAN cable from ebay will work for 2008 528xi model?
Yes it will. It works on mine too.
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Old 10-03-2018, 08:05 PM
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Yes it will. It works on mine too.
Thank you for quick reply. Do I need a cable with small switch for K or DCAN? Do we need the cable with something called FT232RL ?



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Old 10-03-2018, 10:14 PM
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....or any other process/method I can use to scan my car ?


Thanks a lot !!
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You can also buy a regular OBD2 reader which won't give you the level of detail the INPA software does, however for engine codes it will work pretty well with out the hassle of a computer. You can diagnose misfires, etc just fine.
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Old 10-07-2018, 02:39 PM
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Finally the D-CAN cable arrived and I am able to read the error codes and able to reset it also.

So, I cleared the errors to make sure new errors will pop-up..

I noticed when my engine is cool, My car runs fine for couple of miles. When its warm and start my car, it shows the CEL and below errors are stored.

Code:
$Fault Location No: 11805
$FehlerOrtText: 2E1D ignition, Cylinder 6                                         
57022E1D620413060428462F19030070462F2406008746301A030070
Error: 1(2) Nr: 11805    2E1D ignition, Cylinder 6                                         frequency: 4
  error type: 2  (190 ) Ignition time cylinder 6 too low
  Readines Flag: (16 ) Test conditions met
  error status:  (35 ) Error currently exists, OBD-debounced                             
  MIL - Status:  (48) Error does not cause the warning lamp (MIL) to light up                
  P-Code:        P1306 Ignition circuit monitoring Cyl. 6 - burning time too small              F_LZ: 40
environment text   /   entry at           143744 km(n.) 143736 km(2.) 143736 km(1.) 
  Engine speed                             832.00 rpm    1152.00 rpm   800.00 rpm    
  Air mass measured                        24.00 kg/h    48.00 kg/h    24.00 kg/h   
  Spark burning time cylinder 6            0.00 ms       0.00 ms       0.00 ms     
  Tension class 87                         11.37 V       13.71 V       11.37 V      
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$FehlerOrtNr: 10706
$FehlerOrtText: 29D2 misfiring, Cylinder 6                           
570229D2E21403060428462FC8611425462FC34F15254630C8591425
Error: 2(2) Nr: 10706    29D2 misfiring, Zylinder 6                                         frequency: 4
  error type: 2  (12 ) Exhaust harmful after starting                                    
  Readines Flag: (16 ) Test conditions met                                              
  error status:  (35 ) Error currently exists, OBD-debounced                             
  MIL - Status:  (49) Error would cause the warning lamp (MIL) to light up         
  P-Code:        P0306 Combustion misfire detected - Cylinder 6                                  F_LZ: 40
environment text   /   entry at           143744 km(n.) 143736 km(2.) 143736 km(1.) 
  engine temperature                      102.00 C      98.25 C     102.00 C     
  Maximum speed at misfiring              2848.00 rpm   2528.00 rpm   3104.00 rpm   
  Maximum relative load for misfiring     7.81 %        8.20 %        7.81 %      
  Minimum relative load for misfiring     14.45 %       14.45 %       14.45 %      
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All these were German, I translated it using google.

I had some misfiring issue and one local shop did the replacement for ignition coil, spark plug and Vano just 2 weeks back. Ignition coil was replaced on Cylinder 6 only.


I have attached another screen from this tool. by looking into the pic, it looks some issue is there in Cylinder 6. Not sure what is that



Any idea what is happening here ? if I need to start looking into it, from where I need to start ?




Thanks in advance
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Old 10-07-2018, 05:27 PM
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Swap the #6 injector with another cylinder and see if the error follows the swap.
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Old 10-07-2018, 06:01 PM
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In INPA.INI, change the variant in the INFO & ENVIRON fields to "ENGLISCH".

Also, technically, Pre LCI cars (2007) use K-Line protocol to read the obd and LCI (2008+) use D-CAN. They share a common computer driver made by FTDI and and integrated circuit (chip) called FT232RL. The switch switches pins that this chip reads on some adapters so they can read K-Line and DCAN, since they use different pins.
...My adapter has a switch but it is a 5 position switch that seemingly does nothing, as I can use it on both my 2007 and 2008 without issue in any switch position.

http://pinoutguide.com/CarElectronic...c_pinout.shtml
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Old 10-07-2018, 06:59 PM
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Swap the #6 injector with another cylinder and see if the error follows the swap.
Today evening, I did this exact thing. Swapped ignition coil between 6 and 1. I drove around 20 miles with 15 min stop in between, but nothing comes up.. I will try it again tomorrow.

One thing I noticed while opening. On new ignition coil the lock which connects the pin is completely loose. May be that is the issue

That mechanic told he replaced the ignition coil with original BMW part, but when I opened today, it has no sign of BMW at all, no where "BMW" word is written. My existing ignition coils is from Bosch and I could clearly see the brand names. Now I doubt whether he used original part or some local ignition coil and charged be $100 for this..




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In INPA.INI, change the variant in the INFO & ENVIRON fields to "ENGLISCH".
In my version, its already updated to ENGLISH in info section and ENGLISCH in Environ section. I can see all menu and other stuff in english but only error details are coming in German. Do I need to do any other update?



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Old 10-07-2018, 07:05 PM
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Swap the injectors.
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Old 10-07-2018, 08:03 PM
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That mechanic told he replaced the ignition coil with original BMW part, but when I opened today, it has no sign of BMW at all, no where "BMW" word is written. My existing ignition coils is from Bosch and I could clearly see the brand names. Now I doubt whether he used original part or some local ignition coil and charged be $100 for this.
Most of the guys on this forum and DIYers out there do their own work, MOSTLY, because of this reason.

By the way, new Bosch coils look like this, if it helps:
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Old 10-07-2018, 08:16 PM
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Most of the guys on this forum and DIYers out there do their own work, MOSTLY, because of this reason.

By the way, new Bosch coils look like this, if it helps:
It's a lesson learned for me . I should have done research before directly going to an un-trusted shop.. Now I can see online genuine BOSCH ignition coils are around $60-70.
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Old 10-07-2018, 08:31 PM
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It's a lesson learned for me . I should have done research before directly going to an un-trusted shop.. Now I can see online genuine BOSCH ignition coils are around $60-70.
You can get OEM Bosch coils for around $20 per coil. Check out rockauto.com for all kinds of parts. I bought mine from FCPEuro for a little more than that because they have a Lifetime warranty on parts, so I can send used ones back and get new ones for free.


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Old 10-18-2018, 09:40 PM
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Hello Everyone !!

quick update.. After switching the coils, I drove around 600 miles and no issues so far. It looks like mechanic replaced a local made ignition coil and the connecting pin is little lose compared to original ignition coil pin.


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Old 10-19-2018, 02:54 AM
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If you paid 600$ for a coil and plug and the coil doesnt work.. take that **** back to the garage
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