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The sixth generation of the BMW 5 Series Sedan (F10) was produced from 2011 - 2016 with LCI updates arriving in 2014. In the US BMW offered a hatchback 5 Series Gran Truismo (F07) and the rest of the world also go a Station Wagon/Touring version F11.

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Old 07-25-2013, 05:54 PM
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BMW is charging a $1500 more that 535i for the 535d nee 530d. The real 535d costs €7000 more than a 530d; that would have put it way out of range. The 535i cost €3350 MORE than a 530d compared to the $1500 less in the US.

I'd like to see the 525d which is €2650 less than the 530d, gets better mileage, and only a little slower. A head-to-head model with the E250CDI.
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Old 07-25-2013, 05:58 PM
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Any information regarding the 535d Msport steering, is this for 535i Msport too
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BMW is charging a $1500 more that 535i for the 535d nee 530d. The real 535d costs €7000 more than a 530d; that would have put it way out of range. The 535i cost €3350 MORE than a 530d compared to the $1500 less in the US.

I'd like to see the 525d which is €2650 less than the 530d, gets better mileage, and only a little slower. A head-to-head model with the E250CDI.
I sorted that all out on this thread:
https://www.bimmerfest.com/forums/sho...108&highlight=

Bottom line is the '535d' is priced fairly as optioned in this market and compared to Europe.
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Old 07-25-2013, 06:12 PM
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I sorted that all out on this thread:
https://www.bimmerfest.com/forums/sho...108&highlight=

Bottom line is the '535d' is priced fairly as optioned in this market and compared to Europe.
Didn't find the analysis there. Post 1 references something that doesn't seem to be there. I don't see any standard equipment missing on the 530d that accounts for the price difference.
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Old 07-25-2013, 06:20 PM
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I configured similarly equipped 535i and 530d at both bmw.uk.co & bmw.de. I chose the blueperformance option at both sites for the 530d.
Results: The 530d cost $1438 more than the 535i at bmw.uk.co, and $760 more at bmw.de.

It was enlightening to see the differences in standard equipment between Germany and the UK. The UK cars came with much more standard equipment (heated seats, RFT, autodim rearview, etc). I assume that the US cars will come with more gadgets like the UK cars have. So the $1500 markup seems legit.
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Old 07-25-2013, 06:31 PM
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I just did that, and couldn't find the differences. Note. the UK site only lets you select the 535i with Luxury or M-sport trim.

Interestingly, the German site charges €2200 for the Modern Line with 18" wheels, an extra €530 for fine-line ash trim, and an extra €700 for Nappa leather. The Nappa leather, fine-line ash trim, and 19" rims are included with the US Modern Line. The German Modern line allows the selection of either the Shadowline trim or satin aluminum trim, same as the individual option. Both have the same price otherwise: €520. However, the US order guide doesn't show Shadowline as an option.

What options did you find the German 530d was missing that the German 535i included? I only found Dakota leather for €2010.
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You can still get the split tailpipes if you select no lines. If you select Luxury or M Sport, the pipes are only on 1 side.

*From the online configurator
So the M-Sport would be single and the "base" would be duals? I would not bet much money on that. Probably just a quirk of the configurator.
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Jjsc6, why do u have your wifes car in your signature remove it please lol
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Jjsc6, why do u have your wifes car in your signature remove it please lol
Nope, not removing it. Sorry

But I'll make you a deal. You don't live far from me. Let me drive your Diesel when you get it and I'll consider taking down my wife's car.
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What options did you find the German 530d was missing that the German 535i included? I only found Dakota leather for €2010.
I can't recall the differences (that was a couple of months ago), but there were quite a few things that were options on the German model that were standard on the UK model. I went through the whole list at that time and don't recall if I recorded it. Unless it changed between May and now, I'd expect it to be the same.
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The same can be said for gasoline engines. I have always gotten better fuel economy on the freeway than the EPA rating. My 550 is rated at 23 and I have gotten 27.4 on three long trips - and that even included a little bit of city driving.
My gas engine cars usually average somewhere between city & highway (550 rated at 16/24 and I got 21), but my 335d exceeded the EPA highway rating (23/36 and I got 37.5) in combined driving. Same driver, same routes, and data collected over thousands of miles.
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My gas engine cars usually average somewhere between city & highway (550 rated at 16/24 and I got 21), but my 335d exceeded the EPA highway rating (23/36 and I got 37.5) in combined driving. Same driver, same routes, and data collected over thousands of miles.
I will say that from what I have read the diesels don't seem to fall so much in city driving. Thanks for posting your results.
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Deal, once upon a time i used to own 2010 TL, could not take the front beak anymore, i feel there are many on this forum who used to own TL before, any info about next gen TL
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Deal, once upon a time i used to own 2010 TL, could not take the front beak anymore, i feel there are many on this forum who used to own TL before, any info about next gen TL
Ours has the toned down beak. I looked at them in 2010 and that is one of the reasons I did not buy one then. Ours looks fine to me.
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I can't recall the differences (that was a couple of months ago), but there were quite a few things that were options on the German model that were standard on the UK model. I went through the whole list at that time and don't recall if I recorded it. Unless it changed between May and now, I'd expect it to be the same.
I did the 2014 German models. I made a configuration and just switched the motors. The 530d was €86,400, the 535i was €87,500. This the config:mybmw.de/f5e9j6t4

At current exchange rates that is the 530d is $1500 less in Germany and $1500 more in the US.

The 525d doesn't have the US luxury seating or ARS, so the comparison isn't apples to apples. there.
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I see the difference now- the BluePerformance (emission system) is standard on the 530d starting in MY14. But I didn't go through the whole configurator to see if the German 530d has different standard equipment than the US 535i.
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I find it hard to believe that they will build a special configuration tailpipe for the 530d to bring it over here.
Same here... I think the US 535D (or the Euro/UK 530D) will only have tail pipes on the left...
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Same here... I think the US 535D (or the Euro/UK 530D) will only have tail pipes on the left...
I'm betting on duals. It is how BMW differentiates the model hierarchy and the D is on par with the 535. The 335D had the same duals as the gasoline 335 a couple of years ago.
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I'm betting on duals. It is how BMW differentiates the model hierarchy and the D is on par with the 535. The 335D had the same duals as the gasoline 335 a couple of years ago.
That was true because the car was actually a 335D.

Unfortunately, in this case, the 535D that is coming to US is actually the 530D. The original actual 535D (as sold in UK/ Europe) is not being sold in US.

BMW US has decided to badge the European/UK 530D as the 535D is US. Strange but true.

And I really doubt, that BMW will change the exhaust assembly specifically for a model for US.

Also, the configurator now (available at BMWUSA site) is showing the 535D with tailpipes on one side.

Why would BMW make a special image/ configurator and show the wrong image. I mean why show 535D as the badge on the car and then show single side tail pipes.

If you believe that the US site configurator is showing a European car, then the European Car 535D has tailpipes on both sides, but the current image on US site is with single side pipes.

Either way, it seems BMW US configurator has been modified (from what it displayed originally) to now reflect the actual car.

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Any US 535d buyers able to reconfirm tailpipes configuration with their respective CA yet? I guess BMWUSA's built tool is fairly inaccurate at times.
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Any US 535d buyers able to reconfirm tailpipes configuration with their respective CA yet? I guess BMWUSA's built tool is fairly inaccurate at times.
Do you really think the CA has info any more accurate than the website? They haven't laid eyes on these yet. I don't think the US '535d' even made it to a car show.
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That's not necessarily true. LCI's have been on the ground for a couple of weeks now and are trickling into the Dealerships.
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Do you really think the CA has info any more accurate than the website? They haven't laid eyes on these yet. I don't think the US '535d' even made it to a car show.
LOL, true that. Most CA need products training.
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I wonder about the noise levels inside the cabin of the 535d and 530d, are they louder compared to the gas F10s?


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