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The sixth generation of the BMW 5 Series Sedan (F10) was produced from 2011 - 2016 with LCI updates arriving in 2014. In the US BMW offered a hatchback 5 Series Gran Truismo (F07) and the rest of the world also go a Station Wagon/Touring version F11.

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My 2013 535xi did not have any throttle delay nor does my 2014 550 LCI
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OK, my independent service techs appear to have resolved my problems with throttle response delay (previous SIB 12 17 12, 528 I6). Change the spark plugs! Yes, the damn things were shot at 55k. Stupid but true. Change your spark plugs and see what it brings you. Brought me the BMW experience.
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Steady, Bob - this has probably been a pure coincidence.
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Steady, Bob - this has probably been a pure coincidence.
Agree, the delay goes away when you put the transmission in Sport mode. A guess there is a 2nd set of spark plugs for Sport mode
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Short summary of the thread: BMW software developers are still trying to create an adequate software equivalent of a throttle cable.
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I experienced the same hesitation/delay as many mentioned above in my 2011 528i, so thought I'd post how the dealer fixed it under warranty when I took the car in. The report back from the dealer says. "coded vehicle software version 2.51.3." Also, "found vehicle's interation level to be at F010-09-525 as per SIB need to be above F010-12-03-500. Sent vehicle to programming."
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You got the correct fix, but your Dealer is technically wrong as he references an older SIB that was superseded.

03/2012
SI B24 02 12 - Delay in engine response.
Calls for minimum Integration of Level F010-12-03-500, which is ISTA/P 2.46.0 (or higher)

https://www.bimmerfest.com/forums/sho...2&postcount=17

11/2012
SI B12 17 12 - Delay in engine response - Replaces SI B24 02 12 dated Mar 2012.
Calls for a minimum Integration Level of F010-12-11-502, which is ISTA/P 2.48.1 (or higher).

https://www.bimmerfest.com/forums/sho...7&postcount=41

So, if someone has >= F010-12-03-500 and < F010-12-11-502, such as the following Integration Levels, then they still do not have the correct fix:

F010-12-03-511
F010-12-03-512
F010-12-07-531
F010-12-07-532
F010-12-07-533
F010-12-11-501

In this case it doesn't matter, but I can't help but wonder how often they miss superseding SIB's, and where the fix may be something completely different that they aren't applying.
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Steady, Bob - this has probably been a pure coincidence.
The factory is flagging short plug life on my engine, so in a Hail Mary
effort to resolve my low-end power problem I agreed to a plug install and shazzam, power curve restored. Funny that we call 55k miles "short", in the ancient days 10k was the rule for a set of plugs. BMW May be learning the limits of their technology (and the factory-spec maintenance program). In any case, I offer this as a fix to an awful problem..with Shawn's SIB re: fix AND plugs, I am good to go.
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Thanks for update steadybob, however i noticed the hesitancy/delay ("tip in") issue within a week of purchasing my brand new 2011 528i, in April of 2011 (with 15 miles on it). Would be surprised if it was spark plug related, but worth pursuing now. When i took my car in for its first service, i mentioned this issue and when i got my car back it seemed to be better for a while, but it reverted back later and i still experience this hesitation/delay between 0-15 mph (it's less noticeable because i've adjusted, make allowances and am used to it now, but not something i EVER would have expected from a $50-$60k bmw. 3 years later, I can't recall if anyone - in previous threads - has ever suggested the issue may stem from bmw's efforts to show better gas mileage, but I'm convinced this hesitation is deliberate and directly related to the mpg they're able to advertise. Would hate to think that touting certain 'mpg' would outweigh a major safety concern, but i find it hard to believe it could be anything else given this is one of the - hands down - best auto makers in the world.

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You got the correct fix, but your Dealer is technically wrong as he references an older SIB that was superseded.

03/2012
SI B24 02 12 - Delay in engine response.
Calls for minimum Integration of Level F010-12-03-500, which is ISTA/P 2.46.0 (or higher)

https://www.bimmerfest.com/forums/sho...2&postcount=17

11/2012
SI B12 17 12 - Delay in engine response - Replaces SI B24 02 12 dated Mar 2012.
Calls for a minimum Integration Level of F010-12-11-502, which is ISTA/P 2.48.1 (or higher).

https://www.bimmerfest.com/forums/sho...7&postcount=41

So, if someone has >= F010-12-03-500 and < F010-12-11-502, such as the following Integration Levels, then they still do not have the correct fix:

F010-12-03-511
F010-12-03-512
F010-12-07-531
F010-12-07-532
F010-12-07-533
F010-12-11-501

In this case it doesn't matter, but I can't help but wonder how often they miss superseding SIB's, and where the fix may be something completely different that they aren't applying.
Dear Shawn, as I still experience hesitation problem from time to time, would you be so kind and explain in more detail the "Integration Level" concept - mine is a 2013 528xi (born 25 Nov, 2012), and my current software is 51.3.002 which you said in our correspondence refers to ISTA/P 2.51.3? What is my Integration Level then, and does it make any sense to push my Stealer for the even newer one? Thanks


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Thanks for update steadybob, however i noticed the hesitancy/delay ("tip in") issue within a week of purchasing my brand new 2011 528i, in April of 2011 (with 15 miles on it). Would be surprised if it was spark plug related, but worth pursuing now. When i took my car in for its first service, i mentioned this issue and when i got my car back it seemed to be better for a while, but it reverted back later and i still experience this hesitation/delay between 0-15 mph (it's less noticeable because i've adjusted, make allowances and am used to it now, but not something i EVER would have expected from a $50-$60k bmw. 3 years later, I can't recall if anyone - in previous threads - has ever suggested the issue may stem from bmw's efforts to show better gas mileage, but I'm convinced this hesitation is deliberate and directly related to the mpg they're able to advertise. Would hate to think that touting certain 'mpg' would outweigh a major safety concern, but i find it hard to believe it could be anything else given this is one of the - hands down - best auto makers in the world.
+1. I also learnt how to live with it, but safety hazards that stem from my car not always reacting as expected are obvious.
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Dear Shawn, as I still experience hesitation problem from time to time, would you be so kind and explain in more detail the "Integration Level" concept - mine is a 2013 528xi (born 25 Nov, 2012), and my current software is 51.3.002 which you said in our correspondence refers to ISTA/P 2.51.3? What is my Integration Level then, and does it make any sense to push my Stealer for the even newer one? Thanks
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At the Macro level, the I-Level corresponds to a specific version of ISTA/P used to program the car. At the Micro level, it represents a minimum firmware version for every ECU at that I-Level.

You near to read your I-Step Current from car VCM:

http://f30.bimmerpost.com/forums/sho...postcount=1403
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Thanks; my E-Sys version (launched off-line) doesn't show the I-steps "Read" button - does it only appear when connected to the car?

I was trying to read it off-line based on one of the CAFD (*.ncd) files I have stored on my disk...
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Thanks; my E-Sys version (launched off-line) doesn't show the I-steps "Read" button - does it only appear when connected to the car?

I was trying to read it off-line based on one of the CAFD (*.ncd) files I have stored on my disk...
To read VCM, you must be connected to car.
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I have a 2014 650xi Gran Coupe. Installed the SB and the car feels much more lively and responsive. More importantly, tip in delay us virtually eliminated. No matter how you analyse the tech data, it works for me and now I love driving my car now.
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I have a 2014 650xi Gran Coupe. Installed the SB and the car feels much more lively and responsive. More importantly, tip in delay us virtually eliminated. No matter how you analyse the tech data, it works for me and now I love driving my car now.
Wow. Really shocked that even the 2014s have this issue. Great work BMW!
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Wow. Really shocked that even the 2014s have this issue. Great work BMW!
I had a 745li, then 750 li. Same issue. The 650 Gran Coupe was even worse. Now with SB issue is rectified for good. Cost 400 well worth it.
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Wow. Really shocked that even the 2014s have this issue. Great work BMW!
My 2014 doesn't have any tip in or delay issues.
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In Sports mode there is no delay. Only in comfort and plus. If you press hard on gas pedal, took a second before the engine decides to launch lol.
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Good for you.
. I should have added that this was the first I've heard of any tip-in or delay issues with the LCI's so I was a bit surprised. Infiniti's I've rented on business trips have this issue, but not only from a standing start so I know how annoying and even dangerous it can be.
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I suspect this has to do with people's driving habits rather than the year or model. But some cars may display the problem more. This may be why some people report a problem while others don't.

BMW isn't the only manufacturer that has this feature in their transmissions. Our 1999 Land Rover was notorious for it unless sport mode was enabled. It was also a heavy car with a rather anemic engine for street driving so I would mash the pedal. It's very subtle in my 2014 535dx and I do notice the problem on my wife's X5. I rented a 740i and it was absolutely horrible to the point of being dangerous. The wife's earlier Toyota was so bad it felt like the rental 740i. But I never has this problem with manual transmissions other than the unnatural release of clutch with cars that had a CDV.
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to me, it looks like this throttle response curve seems to be constantly being adjusted.
every a few months, i had a few moments that throttle response is unexpectedly mediorcre and surprised by it.
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The Official “Tip-In” / “Acceleration/Throttle Delay” Resolution Thread

To me the best way to drive this car is to have transmission and suspension in sport, flick the gear shift in manual and use the paddles to up and down shift

Throttle delay is not as bad and you can keep the car in a higher gear (M6 or M7) and some slight mileage advantage as it's not constantly stuck in 3rd gear in city driving


With this technique I dare say this car becomes almost fun to drive
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OK, my independent service techs appear to have resolved my problems with throttle response delay (previous SIB 12 17 12, 528 I6). Change the spark plugs! Yes, the damn things were shot at 55k. Stupid but true. Change your spark plugs and see what it brings you. Brought me the BMW experience.
Changed plugs at 55k as well. There was a small improvement but still big lag at startup.

Will try this next.

1) hit start button once to turn on power (Don't start the engine)
2) then press the accelerator down to the floor for 5 sec
3) then hit start button once to turn off power
4) then remove foot from accelerator
5) then waite for 2 minutes
4) then start the engine like normal and try it out!

UPDATE 8/19/2017: No improvement. I also didn't get the clicking that some say happens while accelerator is at the floor. Seems a no go on this fix, for a 2012 528i F10 N20.

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