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I have enough of a background to understand some things about hydrogen and until people explain to me how the supply chain makes sense, I don't see hydrogen winning for cars. I can see hydrogen potentially for shipping and potentially aircraft where the energy density is a bigger deal.

For me, range is good enough and so is charging. I can go where I want and the extra time to charge is minimal once you sh=btract the breaks I would take anyway. But... that's me. Once the V3 chargers are out there it really won't be an issue. Hydrogen still has me going to a service station to refuel rather than doing it at home.

Tesla has their struggles but my experience with them has been generally good. I have also had some excellent experiences with dealerships but I have also had ones that were much worse. Overall I am not a fan of the dealership model.

I completely believe some people have had horrible Tesla experiences. That's unfortunate and tesla needs to improve. I just want to say Tesla has been excellent with me.
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Yes you have been very wise indeed. You are still driving a crappy nearly 8 year old F30 and I'm still driving a new Tesla. My overpaying and quality issues with my car don't change the reality I wouldn't change places.
So this sounds like a Tesla cult member overcompensating for an exuberant buying decision that costed extra money and time. The icing on the cake is that such Tesla cult member has to keep defending his decision on a BMW enthusiast forum.

BTW my F30 has been treating us well, so it is a keeper. At close to 70k miles and 7 years, it is still squeak and rattle free, no paint issue, no missing bolt, etc, etc.
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So this sounds like a Tesla cult member overcompensating for an exuberant buying decision that costed extra money and time. The icing on the cake is that such Tesla cult member has to keep defending his decision on a BMW enthusiast forum.

BTW my F30 has been treating us well, so it is a keeper. At close to 70k miles and 7 years, it is still squeak and rattle free, no paint issue, no missing bolt, etc, etc.
Yeah I'm a cult member because even with the problems my car has had I have to admit it drives far better than any BMW I've ever owned.

Meanwhile you're sitting around the water cooler with your hydrogen fuel cell leased car owning "friends" talking about how hydrogen is going to take over automotive when Tesla is building 6,000 Model 3s a week.

Since you claim you own Tesla stock going back 8 years shouldn't you be happy that they've made you really wealthy or did you just buy one share of stock?

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Yeah I'm a cult member because even with the problems my car has had I have to admit it drives far better than any BMW I've ever owned.

Meanwhile you're sitting around the water cooler with your hydrogen fuel cell leased car owning "friends" talking about how hydrogen is going to take over automotive when Tesla is building 6,000 Model 3s a week.

Since you claim you own Tesla stock going back 8 years shouldn't you be happy that they've made you really wealthy or did you just buy one share of stock?
As stated numerous times on this thread, hydrogen can be an option to some, however there is yet one post from anyone on this thread that says hydrogen is going to take over automotive nor Tesla, except from yourself!

And yes TSLA has been a great long if acquired at right prices, but it is ultra risky even in the land of risk-takers, so it is worth paying attention to exuberance from all sides
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I know this is off topic but I think everyone here is a car guy. I recommend watching todays' Autoline Ignore the first part and get to where the lady from the Detroit Free Press talks about the Ford dps6 transmission. It shows how car companies can cover up things. OK, back to Tesla Wars.
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Oh I can do better than "one".



Wrong.



Wrong.

That's called "new battery chemistry".



Lies and or slander.

Yeah, I think you don't want to keep beating this drum acoste, wipe the egg off of your face first.


Backlog. Given the low number of Model Y orders, it is still possible that Model Y numbers are included.

Recent price drop shows demand weakness.



Maxwell.

https://insideevs.com/news/349417/te...-technologies/

t's anticipated that Tesla is mostly interested in the dry electrode technology for batteries,

"Abstract: In this paper we report a truly solventless dry battery electrode (DBE) coating technology developed by Maxwell Technologies that can be scalable for classical and advanced battery chemistry. Unlike conventional slurry cast wet coated electrode, Maxwell’s DBE offers significantly high loading and produces a thick electrode that allows for high energy density cells without compromising physical properties and electrochemical performance...



This is a PROCESS, not a new chemistry. but you know it better.

from 0:13:00








Anyone who waited 2 years for their cars, and paid deposit, plus the people who bought FSD up until today are hooked and Tesla uses them as a checking account.

No lies there.

Additionally people who paid for a Performance Model 3 in January, saw a price drop of over $10k until now. Sounds fun.



Reliability and service is still underwater. Competing with Fiat/Jeep at the bottom of the list. No lies here either. If in doubts, I can pull you a bunch of cases with brand new cars at any week.

here is one or two

https://teslamotorsclub.com/tmc/thre...pter-2.159941/

https://teslamotorsclub.com/tmc/thre...h-said.156793/
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LOL, I gave myself no more than 30 seconds and not look more than 2 pages in F30/G20 forums and open browser tabs of the issues of new model BMWs I see:

Help my 2019 330i is a lemon!
https://www.bimmerfest.com/forums/sh....php?t=1337637
Drive Train Mulfunction - My F30 is diaplaying the above message. The car suggests that I drivw moderately and full power won't be available. The car no longer starts but the engine is turning
https://www.bimmerfest.com/forums/sh....php?t=1336627
Another Drivetrain Malfunction
https://www.bimmerfest.com/forums/sh....php?t=1336179
5 warning message about lights on F32, dealer wants $1800 to repair.
https://www.bimmerfest.com/forums/sh....php?t=1334243
Flooded! And off to the Car Hospital - when I got to my car, I found to my horror that the 328i was sitting in some water, mostly on the passenger side, the level about an inch below the doors. And the front AND rear passenger footwells were sloshing with water! I mean 2-3 inches in both.
https://www.bimmerfest.com/forums/sh....php?t=1338625
Electrical problems
Has anyone had any issues with the new version of the MMI system? I believe it is 7.0. I bought a 2020 M 340 and have had crazy problems with the screen flipping between the home screen, navigation and others. It even went dark a few times.

https://www.bimmerfest.com/forums/sh....php?t=1329569
Low charging pressure -> FC 120308 / Long story /
https://www.bimmerfest.com/forums/sh....php?t=1294311
Display screen total failure on 328i Hi everyone. I have heard there is a global CID failure that cost a fortune to fix.
https://www.bimmerfest.com/forums/sh....php?t=1326085

So did that just prove to anyone that BMWs are poor and unreliable products? No, because everyone knows car forums are full of threads with all kinds of problems and most who had few or no problems don't even participate.

Apparently Acoste has never gotten the clue about interneting 101.
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Funny , i joined here to learn more about bmw cars, how good they are... what fails and how to fix them... i like how they look and drive .. i think they handle well generally. They are overly complicated.. but most newer cars are. I want to explore the good and bad.. not just worship them... or pretend they have zero issues.
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LOL, I gave myself no more than 30 seconds and not look more than 2 pages in F30/G20 forums and open browser tabs of the issues of new model BMWs I see:

Help my 2019 330i is a lemon!
https://www.bimmerfest.com/forums/sh....php?t=1337637
Drive Train Mulfunction - My F30 is diaplaying the above message. The car suggests that I drivw moderately and full power won't be available. The car no longer starts but the engine is turning
https://www.bimmerfest.com/forums/sh....php?t=1336627
Another Drivetrain Malfunction
https://www.bimmerfest.com/forums/sh....php?t=1336179
5 warning message about lights on F32, dealer wants $1800 to repair.
https://www.bimmerfest.com/forums/sh....php?t=1334243
Flooded! And off to the Car Hospital - when I got to my car, I found to my horror that the 328i was sitting in some water, mostly on the passenger side, the level about an inch below the doors. And the front AND rear passenger footwells were sloshing with water! I mean 2-3 inches in both.
https://www.bimmerfest.com/forums/sh....php?t=1338625
Electrical problems
Has anyone had any issues with the new version of the MMI system? I believe it is 7.0. I bought a 2020 M 340 and have had crazy problems with the screen flipping between the home screen, navigation and others. It even went dark a few times.

https://www.bimmerfest.com/forums/sh....php?t=1329569
Low charging pressure -> FC 120308 / Long story /
https://www.bimmerfest.com/forums/sh....php?t=1294311
Display screen total failure on 328i Hi everyone. I have heard there is a global CID failure that cost a fortune to fix.
https://www.bimmerfest.com/forums/sh....php?t=1326085

So did that just prove to anyone that BMWs are poor and unreliable products? No, because everyone knows car forums are full of threads with all kinds of problems and most who had few or no problems don't even participate.

Apparently Acoste has never gotten the clue about interneting 101.
Spending another 3 minutes to read some of these threads also gives some ideas of the severity of the issues.

To start with, G20 is brand new model with 4-yr/50k bumper to bumper warranty, surely local BMW dealer service is quite competent and efficient to deal with infotainment issues brought up in some of quoted threads.

And F30 is now a 7-year old late year model from yesteryears, with some F30's way past 100k-150k miles.


Help my 2019 330i is a lemon! - brand new model, out since March 2019, enough said.

F30 Flooded! And off to the Car Hospital - well the owner drove through several feet of water so the failures probably are not related to the car.

F30 global CIC failure - this was an early F30 recall that replaced head unit, poster should check paperwork if that has been done(if not, dealer will fix for free even if out of warranty).

F30 5 warning message about lights on F32, dealer wants $1800 to repair. - diagnosed as old battery among other things, so it is maintenance issue

F30 Drivetrain Malfunction - this one was diagnosed as a VVT issue which should be covered by N20/N26 15-yr/150k-mile emission warranty in CA, no kidding!

G20 Another Drivetrain Malfunction - this one was diagnosed as crankcase sensor, again covered by new car warranty, and/or emission warranty.

F30 Low charging pressure -> FC 120308 / Long story / - this Czech gent has no emission warranty like US(the issue was valvetronic), oh well.

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I want to explore the good and bad.. not just worship them... or pretend they have zero issues.
The model specific sub forums are worth visiting.
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Recent price drop shows demand weakness.


Yep. Not in China, but here yes. They need to freshen models fairly quickly, the X and S are stale and the 3 is not a huge margin car. Lots of people who would otherwise buy the 3 are waiting for the Y.


I actually give some thought to a performance Model 3 as they are now down to $55k. Sweet deal for the performance it offers, but I still HATE the interior and could not stand that big freaking screen and dull dash every time I get in the car. I do like the use of alcantara though.

My wife works at an electric utility and they offer their employees several grand toward the purchase of an electric car and it is a bit tempting. But if I wait for offerings from other manufacturers I might find something I like better (nicer interior) from a manufacturer that still qualifies for the full $7500 tax credit. Or maybe Tesla punches up the interior of the 3 during a refresh. They are just about phased out of all tax credits now, so waiting for newer model from them does not cost much as far as tax credits go.
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Recent price drop shows demand weakness.
Has there been price drops after fed credit reduce to $1875? The tesla.com configurator seems to show no price drop.
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How about a Bavarian EV(battery or fuel cell) if available?
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Spending another 3 minutes to read some of these threads also gives some ideas of the severity of the issues.

To start with, G20 is brand new model with 4-yr/50k bumper to bumper warranty, surely local BMW dealer service is quite competent and efficient to deal with infotainment issues brought up in some of quoted threads.
You seem to have completely missed my point.
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