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Old 03-23-2016, 04:29 PM
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Sorry TT but I am not trying to be "dense"... but on my car, "Manual" mode actually cuts off all fresh air circulation (when I say manual mode, I mean with the manual LED lit under the recirculation setting).

Earlier in the thread, someone posted the instructions from the owners manual as well which are:

"LEDs off: outside air flows in continuously.
Left LED on, automatic recirculated-air control: a sensor detects pollutants in the outside air and controls the shutoff automatically.
Right LED on, recirculated-air: the supply of outside air into the vehicle is permanently blocked."

In my car, the left LED is automatic, and the right led is "manual" which means no fresh air.

turning recirculation OFF in my car means fresh air all the time. Is this different in your car? I might be misunderstanding you and when you say "manual" you mean " I manually turn off the recirculation system so there is no LEDs on it".

If by "manual" you mean you are selecting the "manual" button on the recirculation system, then (at least in my car) you are not getting any fresh air....

sorry again for being confused....

Manual fresh air, as in no leds lit. My car doesn't have that M over the manual recirculation button, but it still changes the system. Starting in Auto, one push goes to manual recirculation, second push goes to fresh air, no leds lit. A third push goes back to automatic.
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Old 03-23-2016, 04:37 PM
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To be clear, the effort is software controlled. Other than that the rest of the steering system is mechanically controlled. You control the amount of assist through software but the stiffness of the rack, the alignment settings, the bushings, etc are all mechanical. Your dealer did not change any of this. I think you are mistaking higher effort for better road feel.
Just adding effort needed to turn the wheel is what the sport mode was doing from the beginning and I never liked it either.
Maybe they tricked the software to add more resistance where it was lacking and it did the trick or at least it changed the steering feel to my liking.
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Old 03-23-2016, 06:55 PM
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The DHP is software controlled and that definitely changes the stiffness. Not sure Schott knows what he's talking about.

And "manual fresh air" is one confusing statement and that confusion is the reason for this thread. So the guy who lectured me on reading the manual.......please go wash your car or something.
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Old 03-23-2016, 09:58 PM
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Manual fresh air, as in no leds lit. My car doesn't have that M over the manual recirculation button, but it still changes the system. Starting in Auto, one push goes to manual recirculation, second push goes to fresh air, no leds lit. A third push goes back to automatic.
Got it! I thought thats what you ment but was was not sure.
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Old 03-23-2016, 11:05 PM
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The DHP is software controlled and that definitely changes the stiffness. Not sure Schott knows what he's talking about.

And "manual fresh air" is one confusing statement and that confusion is the reason for this thread. So the guy who lectured me on reading the manual.......please go wash your car or something.
How is that confusing? Auto switches between recirculate and fresh automatically. Manual fresh air stays on fresh air. Manual recirculate stays on recirculate. Seems pretty simple.
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Old 03-24-2016, 05:21 AM
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The DHP is software controlled and that definitely changes the stiffness. Not sure Schott knows what he's talking about.

And "manual fresh air" is one confusing statement and that confusion is the reason for this thread. So the guy who lectured me on reading the manual.......please go wash your car or something.
No one mentioned DHP. The conversation I'm having with SergeyM has to do with the EPS.
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Old 03-24-2016, 05:46 AM
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Folks, what I am saying is that if I put the system on manual (i.e., the indicator light goes off), within a 1 minute or so, the car switches it back to automatic and the indicator is illuminated. This is annoying and when my car goes in for annual service in 6 weeks, I'm going to request they look at SI B64 05 15 as stated above.
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Old 03-24-2016, 07:33 AM
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F30 steering is electronic and for sure is controlled by the cars software. Same applies to the transmission, engine response, etc.

Has it really changed or it is my imagination? I am not 100% sure. All I can say I drove the car to the dealership and hated the steering feel on the way there. I got a 328 GT as a loaner and hated its steering even more. I got our car back and the steering was much, much better. The car became tossable, much more controllable, kind of what you expect from a BMW. My wife noticed the change too. She believed the steering became too sensitive. She did not like it initially but is OK now.



I had a similar experience with my 2005 545. The car had so called "active steering" that was awful originally but became much better after a software upgrade.



They might have changed your tire pressure. It is amazing how much difference a few psi add in term of steering crispiness.
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No one mentioned DHP. The conversation I'm having with SergeyM has to do with the EPS.

That's not what he was referring to. You must have misunderstood what he was saying and then responded with an illogical response.
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Old 03-24-2016, 03:41 PM
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How is that confusing? Auto switches between recirculate and fresh automatically. Manual fresh air stays on fresh air. Manual recirculate stays on recirculate. Seems pretty simple.

Because on the new button when you press it to manual there is no indication in the car what it's doing unlike most cars that at least have a fan diagram showing if it's in recirc mode, or not.
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That's not what he was referring to. You must have misunderstood what he was saying and then responded with an illogical response.
I'm sorry but you are wrong. He said that a software update increased his car's steering feel. I commented that any software change would only affect steering effort not really road feel. You are confused and are being rude. Please show me and other posters more respect.

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Folks, what I am saying is that if I put the system on manual (i.e., the indicator light goes off), within a 1 minute or so, the car switches it back to automatic and the indicator is illuminated. This is annoying and when my car goes in for annual service in 6 weeks, I'm going to request they look at SI B64 05 15 as stated above.
Just for grins try putting the entire system in full manual. As I mentioned earlier I have had success keeping everything manual if nothing is in automatic mode. Just curious if your car will stay all manual.
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I'm sorry but you are wrong. He said that a software update increased his car's steering feel. I commented that any software change would only affect steering effort not really road feel. You are confused and are being rude. Please show me and other posters more respect.

Respectfully, how the heck do you know?
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Old 03-25-2016, 05:21 AM
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I had an issue with the 'automatic' mode in that I started to smell a faint vinegar smell. My F30 has almost 17k miles and is a 2015. People suggested running the heat and then open vents (no manual/automatic) mode. The smell is better now and next will be having the dealer replace the cabin filter.
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Mine has been in Auto mode (left LED) since I took delivery at the Performance Center. I asked which mode people prefer. She said Auto, so we put it there and I haven't touched it since.
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This shows how many are lazy to get to know their car.

People, it takes 30 minutes to breeze through the manual. You can find so many things you dont yet know about your car!
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Kap8; your car will fill with pollen where I live if left in auto mode this time of year.
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-1 for reasons previously mentioned in this thread.
Kap8; your car will fill with pollen where I live if left in auto mode this time of year.
I do indeed have allergies and popped a Claritin D this morning. I haven't noticed too much pollen in the car in pollen seasons past, but I'm rather OCD at wiping down the interior each weekend after I wash the car. I have a vent brush that I love!
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Old 03-25-2016, 11:24 AM
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Just to make life more difficult, there is another re-circ issue that has not been raised. When AC is on and in fresh air mode, too much condensation can build up in the system (especially in humid areas), and mildew can grow over time. Re-circulate/closed allows the system to dry the air. My e39 had a mildew smell unless I used re-circ most of the time.
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Doesn't the F30 have a cabin air filter, which would catch that pollen before entering? Is pollen small enough to get through the filter, or is filter only in use during recirculate? I'm sure I just don't understand the air filter's purpose.
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Yes, pollen can get through the filter.
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The 3 setting recirc button confuses me. It's pollen season here and I want to either shut off outside airflow or at least make sure it's not drawing fresh air in. So which setting: Auto, manual or the one that turns the green light off?
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No fresh air when AC is on!

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Manual fresh air stays on fresh air.
May be by design but in reality as soon as I turn AC on I can hear the same fan noise as in interior air mode. Turn AC off and flap moves to fresh air.

Does anyone have any ideas what could be broken?
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Could anyone here try to verify that fresh air / interior air control works properly with AC on and outside temperature above 80F?
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