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Old 03-27-2007, 10:42 AM
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# Series with Bremi ignition coil

I've had incidents of "Service Engine Soon" light with shaking, rough idling with my 2003 325i. The car seemed very underpower. I have about 52K miles on it. I extended the maintenance plan and also got extended GE warranty with $100 deductible. The dealer told me that the problem was misfire on cylinder 1 which is caused by bad Bremi ignition coil. The total was $211.96 on which I have to pay $100. He also told me that BMW is aware of the problem with Bremi ignition coil and suggested replacing other 5 of them since as they said it is just matter of time when the other will go. It was either waiting for the other ones to fail and pay 100 bucks deductible or replace all of five for additional $180. I decided to replace all of them with Bosch ones. However, I was doing research on this and found out on different forums that BMW sent the letter out (see attached) indicating awareness with Bremia coils and extended warranty on this part from 4yr/50k to 8yr unlimited millage. I call the north america BMW and they said this is only for M series. I feel that I got ripped off on this. If they know about the problem with this part why would it matter on which car is installed.
Did anyone else here had problem with Bremi coils and were you able to get them replaced under any BMW extended warranty?
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Old 03-27-2007, 11:07 AM
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I've had incidents of "Service Engine Soon" light with shaking, rough idling with my 2003 325i. The car seemed very underpower. I have about 52K miles on it. I extended the maintenance plan and also got extended GE warranty with $100 deductible. The dealer told me that the problem was misfire on cylinder 1 which is caused by bad Bremi ignition coil. The total was $211.96 on which I have to pay $100. He also told me that BMW is aware of the problem with Bremi ignition coil and suggested replacing other 5 of them since as they said it is just matter of time when the other will go. It was either waiting for the other ones to fail and pay 100 bucks deductible or replace all of five for additional $180. I decided to replace all of them with Bosch ones. However, I was doing research on this and found out on different forums that BMW sent the letter out (see attached) indicating awareness with Bremia coils and extended warranty on this part from 4yr/50k to 8yr unlimited millage. I call the north america BMW and they said this is only for M series. I feel that I got ripped off on this. If they know about the problem with this part why would it matter on which car is installed.
Did anyone else here had problem with Bremi coils and were you able to get them replaced under any BMW extended warranty?
The first design of bremis did have problems, the ones offered/made now do not.
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Old 03-27-2007, 01:00 PM
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I had my coils replaced two years ago, there was a nationwide recall. Here is an excerpt from the e46 wiki:

There was a recall for failing coil packs. A dealer can tell you if this recall fix has been performed. The following build date & vin ranges were affected by this recall:
E46 with M54/M56 from 09/02 up to 12/04 production date.
325i KL58793 KL62880, NH02298 NH05784, PD00558 PD01068
325iA KL78812 KL89995, KR24002 KR32361, PD56824 PD58282, NJ21783 NJ47934, NJ80013 NJ96910
325Ci JY96097 JY98108, PC99012 PC99995
325CiA PL00001 PL04548, PG60108 PG62814
325Cic JY43694 JY44229, PG97089 PG98243
325CicA PG88872 PG92999, PL24020 PL31534
325iT EZ15376 EZ15633
325iTA PC11346 PC12725
325xi PF58422 PF62576
325xiA PH86839 PH90969, PM52033 PM59296, PR06010 PR12874
325xiT PE91490 PE92062
325xiTA PF01600 PF04589
325iA SULEV KP78010 KP87556, PH30108 PH36104
325CiA SULEV PJ15045 PJ16347, JT20009 JT22530
325iTA SULEV PJ00063 PJ00924
330i KM02321 KM07066
330iA KM24352 KM36386
330Ci PD95092 PD97653, JU28717 JU45159
330CiA PL10037 PL14136, PH02210 PH05245
330Cic EV90090 EV90753, PJ94042 PJ95840
330CicA JU95942 JU99831, PL40018 PL46594
330xi PG09391 PG11594
330xiA PG20116 PG23990, PN30039 PN35923
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Old 03-28-2007, 09:18 AM
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The dealer told me that there was no recall. My VIN number is within the ranges. Did you guys get the letter informing you about this recall?
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Old 03-28-2007, 10:52 AM
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The dealer told me that there was no recall. My VIN number is within the ranges. Did you guys get the letter informing you about this recall?
The Dealer is wrong. I got the letter, went down, and I already had the Bosch.
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sad part is they installed most of those coils in NEW cars after the Tech Bulletin was issued, in my case 2 years after, in other words they installed parts they knew were defective and could cause a safety issue.

Nice when your pulling out on a highway and go into limp mode with 40 tons of steel bearing down on you.

I had 3 replaced, never got a letter, brought a copy of the TB ( search my name its here) and got all 6 done.

$180 is no savings, you can buy 6 and install them with no more than a dime as a tool in ten minutes. I would buy them and do it myself.

One more reason, sadly this will be my last BMW. Buying my pregnant wife a car, tempted to go BMW. Tonight sealed their fate. Got the yellow oil light, pulled over and sure enough needed a half quart. Try that on a new BMW with no Oil dipstick.....

What Idiot thought that was a good idea?
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Old 04-03-2007, 10:39 AM
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FalconGuy, I couldn't find TB here. Do you by any chanve have that copy. My dealer is saying that they are unaware of any Tech Bulletin in regard to Bremi coils.
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Old 04-03-2007, 08:14 PM
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FalconGuy, I couldn't find TB here. Do you by any chanve have that copy. My dealer is saying that they are unaware of any Tech Bulletin in regard to Bremi coils.


Here you go, find another dealer, if they did not know about this they shouldnt be trusted to clean your wheels.....
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Old 06-07-2007, 03:26 AM
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I am in the market for a 325iT wagon. I found one, had it checked @ cerified BMW mechanic. Everthing seems to check out except for : sporadic misfire fault codes stored 238(cylinder1) and 242(cyl 5). Can I have some advise as to what this is. Is it a big deal and or a simple repair? Should I be cautious of the purchase? I would appreciate some advise. Thank you Kira
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Old 06-07-2007, 02:59 PM
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Could be plugs,coils,or vauum leak.
Or all of the above.
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Old 06-07-2007, 03:14 PM
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One more reason, sadly this will be my last BMW. Buying my pregnant wife a car, tempted to go BMW. Tonight sealed their fate. Got the yellow oil light, pulled over and sure enough needed a half quart. Try that on a new BMW with no Oil dipstick.....


On a new BMW you'd simply go to the OBC or iDrive to check the oil level. You wouldn't even have to pull over. So are you giving up BMW because it burned some oil?
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Old 06-07-2007, 07:12 PM
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Not at all, I just dont see me placing my wife in a vehicle that I know will have critical sensors fail, with no redundant, easily checked ( Read Dipstick) to confirm that indeed it is a sensor and not a lack of oil.


I wouldn't trust the OBC, which in my sales lot walk around did not show oil level? Then again its probably tied to the same, historically poorly made sensor.

I'm not speaking without some knowledge, I'm an aviation technician, pilot, degree in aeronautics. I think the brand is being dumbed down to the point of lunacy. My god, a dipstick, how much did that save BMW?

I am not alone, I must have had 3 sales guys just walk away when I asked if this model had an oil dipstick. When asked, two responded we are not selling many to current owners. May be something completely unrelated, but that is what they tell me.

I can handle some issues, idiocyncracies, plain out bad design, like window seals and regulators, 2 year water pumps and front suspension. Mind you of the ten cars in the family not one of these or any thing even close has ever failed on the other cars, on my BMW these are what I expect to fail. About to put belt tensioner #5 on a 4 year old car tonight, not counting the one installed by BMW, that's 6!

I just cant see my wife, no mechanical skills, not a troubleshooter, not going to just say well the CEL is on, oh well, and my new child drive anything this unreliable. Not to mention the crash test really are not any better than the comparable cars, in fact in the most common of crashes, BMW falls short.

Of course YMMV?

Maybe BMW will turn around, if they do I will be back, I do love the car, just cant see this vehicle carrying my most precious of cargo, my opinion nothing else.
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Old 06-07-2007, 07:45 PM
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If reliability is the sole concern then there are more reliable cars than BMWs. But I think your distrust of sensors is misplaced, and all modern cars will have their fair share.

If you are an aviation technician you surely know that there are dozens, perhaps hundreds of critical sensors with no redundant, easily checked back-up on many, many things which we use and take for granted every day.

How about cam position sensors? Or steering angle sensors? Or yaw-rate sensors? All of these are similarly critical to the proper operation of your engine or traction control, and there's effectively no way for the consumer to verify their proper operation. And with good reason.

For no matter how technically or mechanically inclined you or I are, the vast number of consumers who purchase and enjoy these cars are completely ignorant about what really happens when they hit the start button and put the car in gear. And rightly so.

There really should a gigantic sign across the hood which reads: "NO USER-SERVICABLE PARTS INSIDE." These are complicated devices and yahoos like myself, however well-intentioned, shouldn't be monkeying around with the goings-on within the powerplant.

When stuff goes wrong, what these cars will do is throw the idiot light on which basically says, "take me to the mothership and get me serviced." Someday soon the car will actually call in advance to relay the proper fault codes to the service department so a bay can be readied and parts can ordered. And that's the way it should be. Do you really want the car to tell your wife that's there's a misfire in cylinder #3 that's producing excessive emissions and could be damaging to the catalyst? Do you really want her on the side of the road checking fluids and filters? Would you expect her to make an intelligent diagnosis on a $50k vehicle?

You have other legitimate beefs with the brand that I won't argue with. And at the end of the day it's your nickel to spend. But I have to agree with BMW's philosophy of taking service as far away from the consumer as possible, and I love the fact that they include it in the price of the car, so there's no financial burden for service for at least the first few years.
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