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Old 07-11-2020, 06:56 PM
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It may have been mentioned before but there are groups of people in their 20’s having “Covid Parties.” Supposedly healthy people getting together to have a party with someone they know that has Covid. Like what kids do with Chicken Pox. It has backfired in some cases resulting in death. It takes one person who partakes in non-social distancing in a group exposure and does not disclose it to transfer it to an exponential amount of others. Even family. It will always be difficult to figure out if the masks completely work because several providers go home and resume normal lives with friends without masks.


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Old 07-11-2020, 07:06 PM
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Yes, read that millenials are putting money in a pot at party, first one to test positive wins the money. It may not alway work out for them, they have age and probably healthy immune systems, but an underlying condition could lead to a bad outcome. That said, our state has not recorded a single death of anyone under 24 years old, probably pretty much the same in other states....
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Old 07-11-2020, 07:25 PM
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I’m in South Carolina. Hot spot territory. Underlying conditions are huge with Covid. Transmission, I suspect is very much related to a “taking for granted” approach to family members and those that take risks situations. Many don’t ask their friends and assume. I very much hope that public schools do not open. The risk is exponential.


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Old 07-11-2020, 08:25 PM
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WHO is standing by droplets as main source of transmission, via cough, sneeze, speaking, etc. I am not a medical expert, is an airborne droplet an aerosol? Why do they discuss them as separate? Surface smears, though possible, have been mostly discounted as a means of spread.
Aerosol means air born transmission in science lingo. For physicists, it's fluid dynamics:
In physics and engineering, fluid dynamics is a subdiscipline of fluid mechanics that describes the flow of fluids-liquids and gases.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fluid_...%20in%20motion).

Measles can stay in the air for two hours. Tuberculosis six.

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Old 07-11-2020, 11:16 PM
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""We will have hospitals overwhelmed and not only in terms of ICU beds and hospitals -- and that's bad -- but exhausted hospital staff and hospital staff that's getting ill themselves," Dr. Peter Hotez, the dean of tropical medicine at Baylor College of Medicine, told CNN Friday night. "So, we won't have enough manpower, human power, to manage all of this.""

https://www.cnn.com/2020/07/11/healt...day/index.html

The resolves and resources of the rescue crews are running out, while some still push the mantra of "let people make these choices themselves", and that is extremely unfortunate.

And summertime is predicted to be quiet time for COVID-19, the reality proves otherwise, or just imagine what this winter peak time will look like. ;(

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Old 07-12-2020, 06:33 AM
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Early in my training I was taught basic risk calculus. The fundamental risk that we all suffer is that suffered on getting out of bed every day. Everything else is arguably riskier.

I disbelieve prognosticators without doxastic comittment. If experts were summarily executed on failure of a prediction, then maybe not so much. Read and understand all of Nassim Nicholas Taleb.

A negative assertion ("no one has gotten sick in my restaurant") cannot be sustained without examination of the entire universe of discussion. Beware the Black Swan. Plus I don't believe a "chef" (Peter Principle) touting his establishment.
1. It was an allegory, but I'm sure you knew that.

2. I can objectively defend the statement "no one has gotten sick" since it is a) required by law to report more than 2 instances of illness from the same time period having eaten the same products and b) you'd better believe someone will call you and complain if they feel bad, and often you're the SECOND one they've called after the health department.

3. Not following your "peter principle" comment. Maybe you're confused as to what that means? I wasn't "touting" the quality of the restaurant, but simply the safety of the processes and service. It's certainly possible you won't find anything on the menu you'd like. I believe you'll find me reasonably competent when it comes to sanitation processes and food service. Try me.

Wear a mask. Wash your hands. Social distance. Don't overthink it.
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Aerosol means air born transmission in science lingo. For physicists, it's fluid dynamics:
In physics and engineering, fluid dynamics is a subdiscipline of fluid mechanics that describes the flow of fluids-liquids and gases.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fluid_...%20in%20motion).

Measles can stay in the air for two hours. Tuberculosis six.
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I’m in South Carolina. Hot spot territory. Underlying conditions are huge with Covid. Transmission, I suspect is very much related to a “taking for granted” approach to family members and those that take risks situations. Many don’t ask their friends and assume. I very much hope that public schools do not open. The risk is exponential.


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America is a very unhealthy country, with high rates of obesity, high blood pressure, acute respiratory disease, cardio-vascular disease, mostly from poor lifestyle choices and poor diet. Guessing a quarter of our country gets the bulk of their food through a drive up window. Add in some racial/ethnicity factors, etc. and coronavirus becomes the nail in the coffin. And I have read multiple articles on Vitamin D deficiency in US (over 40% of US), it is critical to a healthy immune system, so at least half of our country could have severely weakened immune systems (weakens with age naturally). Exercise, get at least 30 minutes of sun everyday, eat healthy, stay safe.

https://www.sciencedaily.com/release...0512134426.htm
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Old 07-12-2020, 10:23 AM
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Did you ever think to check the data. You've bracketed all possible age groups, yet the total adds up to only 62%? I didn't even have to get out the calculator to know that your data doesn't add up to 100%. For your data to be credible and taken seriously it must add up to 100%.
Did you think to click the link and read what I typed?
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Old 07-12-2020, 10:33 AM
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Probably a typo in the upper age groups?
The State website gives essentially a pie chart of deaths across the population. Those percentages do add up to 100% and show that most of the people dying are older.

I was interested in mortality rates so I created a new column of deaths /cases. This does beg the question of what exactly defines a case, the answer for which is all over the place from the "experts."
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Old 07-12-2020, 10:39 AM
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So I guess I'll let my cooks exercise their right to control their own risks.

BTW, try the veal.
Simply be transparent about your cooks protocols and let consumers decide to eat there or not. There are jokes to be made about "inhaling food" but stomach acid remains an unlikely vector for infection. I'm sure that will get some of you spun up.

I prefer Buffalo wings, and not the oven baked jokes where everyone here says "OMG, you've got to try the wings at...."
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Old 07-12-2020, 11:22 AM
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Learning from South Korea sounds like a qualitative answer.
Can someone other than Namelessman repeat my modified question back to me?
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Old 07-12-2020, 01:07 PM
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AZ, TX, FL hospitals running out of ICUs, beds, PPEs, in July, just like tristate scenarios in March/April.

Allegedly there should be a buildup of stockpile of resources and equipment in the last few months in all these states and nationwide/federal level, so what happened since?

And why is there a widespread outbreak, similar to a sweeping uncontrolled wildfire, in the middle of summer, in southern states, when allegedly this COVID-19 is similar to a flu?
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Old 07-12-2020, 01:14 PM
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And I have read multiple articles on Vitamin D deficiency in US
I've been watching this too because I expose myself to worthwhile information sources.

So far there's not conclusive data that such a deficiency makes you vulnerable but Sweden breezed through this with minimal countermeasures. They don't get a lot of sun but..
https://www.nutraingredients.com/Art...-fortification

I have been taking calcium supplements for years because of my autoimmune issues, and they throw vitamin D in with the calcium. Did you happen to scope the location of an upcoming COVID pot party? Millennials amuse me and I can blend in by saying "dope" and that I am woke.
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Old 07-12-2020, 01:17 PM
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And why is there a widespread outbreak, similar to a sweeping uncontrolled wildfire, in the middle of summer, in southern states, when allegedly this COVID-19 is similar to a flu?
It's not OK for my kids to go to school but it is OK to go out and protest shoulder to shoulder, yelling, spraying droplets, masks optional.

I am selling "defund the police" beach towels for less than the cost of an N54 front crankshaft seal remover tool.
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Old 07-12-2020, 01:47 PM
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It's not OK for my kids to go to school but it is OK to go out and protest shoulder to shoulder, yelling, spraying droplets, masks optional.
The following appears to the right mantra for now.

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Wear a mask. Wash your hands. Social distance. Don't overthink it.
And kids can return to school like these.

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Old 07-12-2020, 02:44 PM
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The following appears to the right mantra for now.
Well don't you find it odd? Our county health officials gave the protests tacit if not overt approval and now they dodge questions about whether that contributed to the spike.

I take it you don't want a "defund the police" beach towel. For you, $150. You guys have some nice beaches. I mean you're not L.A. but...
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The horns of this dilemma: You're the government official, you're smart enough to see the risks, but if you say "No" to protests, you are viewed as an authoritarian, neo-Nazi racist. At the very least, you will lose the protesters' votes at the ballot box in November.

OTOH if you say "yes" to the protests, you are seen as a woke mensch standing in solidarity with the oppressed masses, who will all vote for your reelection. Though many of them will get sick and die because of your decision. But hopefully not until after the election.

Which is the rational response? Which is the racist response? Where are the adults in the room?

Is facilitating protests the 21st century equivalent of Lord Jeffrey Amherst providing smallpox-infected blankets to the Indigenous Peoples?

A year from now, let's look at the statistics: Did more African Americans die at the hands of LEO's in 2020? Or from infections while participating in BLM protests?
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The horns of this dilemma: ....
A year from now, let's look at the statistics...
I can't disagree if those are the motivators, and they probably are.

It's easy to be the Monday morning quarterback, and I've toyed with the idea of telling people to stay inside, knowing protesters would not listen and knowing you would not enforce it. Either way, some of your constituents are going to question it. Sort of like banning travel to and from China. Actually very much like that.

In our case, Garcetti and Ferrer could have played good cop bad cop. I don't think Ferrer has political ambitions; she could have taken the hard line. Garcetti could have taken the hard line too, doing it "out of love", which was his rationale for advising against 4th of July BBQs.

Newsom also could have been stricter about it. Both of them are pretty secure in their seats if they can even seek re-election in far off 2022 and 2023, respectively.

Not like you have to guess but I'm 100% for young people building herd immunity whether it's protesting, in bars, at the beach, starting 4th grade, or through tinder.

It's the mixed signals, double standards and hypocrisy that caused me to react the way I did.

Who thinks it's true /not true? Did the protests fuel the "rise in new cases"?
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"pulmonary fibrosis - scarring in the lungs" is what some recovered COVID-19 patients suffer from.

https://www.dw.com/en/covid-19-recov...ion/a-52859671

There are also talks of lasting damage of heart, kidney(in addition to lung) from COVID-19, let alone the psychological aftershock.

Let's say a 20-something can survive a bad COVID-19 infection, but has to live with lasting damage for the next 50+ years.

And that's assuming the young kids in elementary/middle/high schools do not get hit by COV2 strains that can damage young lungs/heart/kidney/etc, etc.

https://www.theledger.com/news/20200...-immune-system

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Outstanding and clear graphic.

I am amazed and amused the the number of comments, “Duuh, I don’ unnerstand that.”

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I am amazed and amused the the number of comments, "Duuh, I don' unnerstand that."
Is there a link to the original analysis/source of data set?

Assuming accuracy of the data, this graph clearly shows that COVID-19 is not just a flu, and is not a hoax.

The graph also clearly demonstrates which group contributes to dumb mass hysteria(hint, not Fauci).

Maybe similar plots of deaths of WWI/WWII/Korean/Vietnam conflicts will even further enhance the message.

https://flowingdata.com/2008/07/17/i...-graphic-ever/

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As far as "Scepticism is the chastity of the intellect ..." .....

Churchill allegedly said this:

"Americans can always be trusted to do the right thing, once all other possibilities have been exhausted."

In the context of COVID-19, this Churchill quote also underscores the shear cost of being skeptical, or just being slow learners. Oh well.
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Is there a link to the original analysis/source of data set?
http://www.drroyspencer.com/2020/07/...kdown-of-2020/
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Thanks for the link.

So this data(assume accurate) says US child mortality drops during COVID-19 shutdown, is that an endorsement to keep kids at home instead of go back to school?

Do note this is not a rhetoric question.

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