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Well the price might be closer to the 6'er as it's intended competion according to this article: http://www.autoweek.com/apps/pbcs.dl...3007/1528/FREE
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Well the price might be closer to the 6'er as it's intended competion according to this article: http://www.autoweek.com/apps/pbcs.dl...3007/1528/FREE
Most automobile sources are pinning the A5/S5 on the 3 coupes due to similar specs on both models. The A5/S5 would not really do much against a 6, esp. the high end 6/m6. Since the size of the A5/s5 is the nearly the same as the e92, and autoweek has been known for its rumourmill mistakes (as w/ every internet source to be taken w/ grain of salt), the numbers of the A5 previously posted on the previous pages of this thread speak for themselves, it shows the comparison of this model more to the e92. We'll see if Audi pulls an a7/s7 out of their hat for the 6 series.
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Well if you work on the following logic

A2 vs Mini
A3 vs 1 Series
A4 vs 3 Series
A6 vs 5 Series
A8 vs 7 Series
TT vs 3 Series Coupe
Q7 vs X5
Q5 vs X3 (Q5 to come next year)

then
A5 vs 6 Series
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Well if you work on the following logic

A2 vs Mini
A3 vs 1 Series
A4 vs 3 Series
A6 vs 5 Series
A8 vs 7 Series
TT vs 3 Series Coupe
Q7 vs X5
Q5 vs X3 (Q5 to come next year)

then
A5 vs 6 Series
A4 and A6 are 4 doors, not coupes, if you work out the logic of that you have e90 vs. A4, e92 vs. A5, etc. Anyways, what everyone's getting from auto sources (which can and can't be reliable) is that the A5 is the e92's competitor, and just read the specs on it, it makes no sense that it is competing w/ the 6 series. They will probly get an A7 coupe to compete w/ the 6.
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A4 and A6 are 4 doors, not coupes, if you work out the logic of that you have e90 vs. A4, e92 vs. A5, etc. Anyways, what everyone's getting from auto sources (which can and can't be reliable) is that the A5 is the e92's competitor, and just read the specs on it, it makes no sense that it is competing w/ the 6 series. They will probly get an A7 coupe to compete w/ the 6.
A4 isn't a coupe? WTF?

http://www.edmunds.com/new/2007/audi....html?action=1

The A5 looks like a 6 competitor to me.
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A4 isn't a coupe? WTF?

http://www.edmunds.com/new/2007/audi....html?action=1

The A5 looks like a 6 competitor to me.
Yes, I agree.

A4 = 3
A5 = 6

All makes sense. Plus, Audi's trying to go more up-market with the brand. Adding the A5, the R8, plus offering the Lambo V10 in the A8 are some examples. Prices are going up too and I bet the A5 with the V8 will be in the ballpark, or will equal that of the 6.
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A4 isn't a coupe? WTF?

http://www.edmunds.com/new/2007/audi....html?action=1

The A5 looks like a 6 competitor to me.
Not a coupe, its the cabriolet. Also, take a look at the engine specs of the upcoming a5, there is no way it can compete w/ the 6, which is why most auto mags online are comparing it to the e92, since it is almost the same size and almost the same albeit lesser engine specs.
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Yes, I agree.

A4 = 3
A5 = 6

All makes sense. Plus, Audi's trying to go more up-market with the brand. Adding the A5, the R8, plus offering the Lambo V10 in the A8 are some examples. Prices are going up too and I bet the A5 with the V8 will be in the ballpark, or will equal that of the 6.
The numbers were already published, the A5 will not have a V8, it is in no way comparable to the 6.
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The numbers were already published, the A5 will not have a V8, it is in no way comparable to the 6.
A5 w/6 = 635
S5 w/V8 = 650.

Now that is what I call... "comparable" Pretty simple.
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Here is my issue with Audi's (I owned one Euro Spec A6 very fast 170+ mph everyday autobahn driving) is in my garage right now I have a cheaper priced 05 vert m3 stock V6 333hp blah blah blah you all know the rest. That will by there own numbers out perform there 07 RS 4 V8 with 420hp and all of there S series 4-8 and be right close to there flagship mid engine R8 with all there technological upgrades from Le Mans. Let me remind you bmw v6 against audi's with mostly v8 and even v10.

It only begs the question of what is the V8 powered M3 is going to do to these cars if the v6 M3 runs right with them and even beats them already. Of course the new V8 M3 will be more pricey, speculation but I think it will be less than the similar Audi's still and out preform them also.

Now, I am no rah rah boy for bmw but damn I think it will be pretty clear shortly when we all have the opportunity to go to bmw and purchase one of the stock V8 M3's, come on.

Let one of those Audi's or anything come my way its over. End of discussion, on that day it will be clear to whoever had doubts.

I am not really all into specs, statistic or particulars. I get in it and drive and drive it hard if it doesn't break I like it and keep it. I have not broken my stock vert m3 yet but I surely try, really.

Can't wait for the V8 M3's, I may brake the floor board where the gas pedal is, hopefully thats all though.

For me it is about the performance of the car not the badging of it, who cares, there is a guy by me that has a Mercedes SLR $500k+ he drives it like a granny, come on, he is going to break the engine from going too slow. I can drive the Sh%$ out of my $51k M3 everyday with no issues, that is what it is made for.

I think the real issue is, is BMW going to let the little V8 M3 out perform the Big V10 M5 and M6. Are we consumers going to get the full capability V8 M3 or are we going to get a watered down version to keep the peace inside the walls of BMW.

That is the real issue to me, we will see, shortly.

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A5 w/6 = 635
S5 w/V8 = 650.

Now that is what I call... "comparable" Pretty simple.
That doesn't make any sense. The actual engines are almost the same as the A4's. It is stupid to even compare an A5 to the 6. And the physical specs are the same size as the e92. The 635's engine is more comparable to the S5's, and the 635 is the lowest while the s5 is the highest. "Pretty simple".

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Wheel-man's estimates were very close. Autoblog's first article on the A5 was somewhat wrong, the A5 will not have the v8, only the s5 will have it, putting the s5 in competition w/ the 335i, not the m3. The rs5 will be the m3 competitor. The numbers are:

A5: 1.8T FSI will have 170bhp
3.2L FSI will have 265bhp w/ 243ft-lbs of torque

TDI engine:

3.0L TDI, w/ 240bhp w/ 369ft-lbs of torque
2.7L TDI w/ 190bhp front wheel only

S5: 4.2L V8 w/ 354bhp w/ 325ft-lbs of torque

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Here is my issue with Audi's (I owned one Euro Spec A6 very fast 170+ mph everyday autobahn driving) is in my garage right now I have a cheaper priced 05 vert m3 stock V6 333hp blah blah blah you all know the rest. That will by there own numbers out perform there 07 RS 4 V8 with 420hp and all of there S series 4-8 and be right close to there flagship mid engine R8 with all there technological upgrades from Le Mans. Let me remind you bmw v6 against audi's with mostly v8 and even v10.

It only begs the question of what is the V8 powered M3 is going to do to these cars if the v6 M3 runs right with them and even beats them already. Of course the new V8 M3 will be more pricey, speculation but I think it will be less than the similar Audi's still and out preform them also.

Now, I am no rah rah boy for bmw but damn I think it will be pretty clear shortly when we all have the opportunity to go to bmw and purchase one of the stock V8 M3's, come on.

Let one of those Audi's or anything come my way its over. End of discussion, on that day it will be clear to whoever had doubts.

I am not really all into specs, statistic or particulars. I get in it and drive and drive it hard if it doesn't break I like it and keep it. I have not broken my stock vert m3 yet but I surely try, really.

Can't wait for the V8 M3's, I may brake the floor board where the gas pedal is, hopefully thats all though.

For me it is about the performance of the car not the badging of it, who cares, there is a guy by me that has a Mercedes SLR $500k+ he drives it like a granny, come on, he is going to break the engine from going too slow. I can drive the Sh%$ out of my $51k M3 everyday with no issues, that is what it is made for.

I think the real issue is, is BMW going to let the little V8 M3 out perform the Big V10 M5 and M6. Are we consumers going to get the full capability V8 M3 or are we going to get a watered down version to keep the peace inside the walls of BMW.

That is the real issue to me, we will see, shortly.

Peace

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I heard the M3 V8 is going to be basically the award-winning V10 from the M5/6 minus 2 cylinders. If that is true then Audi can start packing already.
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I heard the M3 V8 is going to be basically the award-winning V10 from the M5/6 minus 2 cylinders. If that is true then Audi can start packing already.
I'm curious why do you think that is...

By all accounts the 420BHP V8 engine in the RS4 is an absolute gem - I wager the difference between this engine and the upcoming V8 in the M3 will not be huge (in terms of both performance and feel). I could be wrong of course, but it's not like Audi has a lame engine on their hands...
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The A5 is Audi's answer to the E92.

A5 = E92
S5 = E92 M3
RS5 = E92 M3 CSL

Yeah, I'm going to have to agree with this but still think they will be overpriced!
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Not a coupe, its the cabriolet. Also, take a look at the engine specs of the upcoming a5, there is no way it can compete w/ the 6, which is why most auto mags online are comparing it to the e92, since it is almost the same size and almost the same albeit lesser engine specs.

Roof or no roof, it's an a4 with two doors. thus the a4 line up already has a two door car.

Maybe I'm biased because the a5 is attractive. But it seems in a different league vis-a-vis the e92.
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That doesn't make any sense. The actual engines are almost the same as the A4's. It is stupid to even compare an A5 to the 6. And the physical specs are the same size as the e92. The 635's engine is more comparable to the S5's, and the 635 is the lowest while the s5 is the highest. "Pretty simple".
How is the 635 engine (I-6) more comparable to the S5 (V8)? You like to throw around the word "stupid" ... are you feel'n it now?
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How is the 635 engine (I-6) more comparable to the S5 (V8)? You like to throw around the word "stupid" ... are you feel'n it now?
No, because the I-6 twin turbo is much more comparable to the s5's v8, take a look at the numbers...sorry your idiotic opinions are not stupid.

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No, because the I-6 twin turbo is much more comparable to the s5's v8, take a look at the numbers...sorry your idiotic opinions are not stupid.
Well, in your "kool-aid" world, I'm sure evryone who does'nt agree with you on anything is an idiot/stupid. Figures...

You Autoweek's assessment comparing the A5 with the 6. Of course, how convenient, the magazine is not relevant and prints rumour-mill mistakes on a regular basis. Give me a break

http://www.autoweek.com/apps/pbcs.dl.../70223007/1061

"Take a look at the numbers"

OK,

TT I6, 300hp
S5V8, 354hp + more torque.

Yep, in your "kool-aid" world again, I guess that's comparable. In the real world where numbers count, it's not even close.
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Well, in your "kool-aid" world, I'm sure evryone who does'nt agree with you on anything is an idiot/stupid. Figures...

You Autoweek's assessment comparing the A5 with the 6. Of course, how convenient, the magazine is not relevant and prints rumour-mill mistakes on a regular basis. Give me a break

http://www.autoweek.com/apps/pbcs.dl.../70223007/1061

"Take a look at the numbers"

OK,

TT I6, 300hp
S5V8, 354hp + more torque.

Yep, in your "kool-aid" world again, I guess that's comparable. In the real world where numbers count, it's not even close.
Blah blah blah, look at the engines on the Audi A5 and the physical specs, you're just pissed you're wrong. Go back to the 6 forum. You like to hear the sound of your own voice.
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"Take a look at the numbers"

OK,

TT I6, 300hp
S5V8, 354hp + more torque.

Yep, in your "kool-aid" world again, I guess that's comparable. In the real world where numbers count, it's not even close.
That's because the S5 will be comparable to the E92 M3, whereas the base A5's will be comparable to the E92 328 & 335. The RS5 will be comparable to the E92 M3 CSL.
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The overall shape of the car is great. The 3 front grills, especially the huge center one is just too much. I also prefer the rear of the E92 better but this design isn't bad, it looks like the badge is off center on the rear though. To me it really seems like they are trying to copy the E92. I'm very curious to find out what the balance of the car will be and how the AWD system will be designed. I'm not ready to sell my M3 to get one but I think people will definitely be cross shoping these cars with the E92's. More competition is a good thing from a consumer's point of view.
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The overall shape of the car is great. The 3 front grills, especially the huge center one is just too much. I also prefer the rear of the E92 better but this design isn't bad, it looks like the badge is off center on the rear though. To me it really seems like they are trying to copy the E92. I'm very curious to find out what the balance of the car will be and how the AWD system will be designed. I'm not ready to sell my M3 to get one but I think people will definitely be cross shoping these cars with the E92's. More competition is a good thing from a consumer's point of view.
Agreed, I want to know how the AWD system will be distributed, and the competition is good. Good stuff.
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I'm curious why do you think that is...

By all accounts the 420BHP V8 engine in the RS4 is an absolute gem - I wager the difference between this engine and the upcoming V8 in the M3 will not be huge (in terms of both performance and feel). I could be wrong of course, but it's not like Audi has a lame engine on their hands...
Audi doesn't have a lame engine at all. But BMW's V10 is by all accounts the best production engine in the world still. Now think about a new V8 version of that putting out the HP, revs and feel comparable if not better than the RS4 engine in a car that is more fun to drive and handles better than the Audi for about $10-15k LESS (if the M3 keeps its price tag of about $55k).

Sorry, but the only way to justify buying the Audi (if BMW delivers on the M3 as expected) is you can't live without quattro or Audi's interior. For everything else there is the M3.
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