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Old 10-09-2019, 05:02 PM
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Hello I've been a bmw 3 series driver since 2006. I'm looking to purchase an e83 for my wife as daily driver.
What should I stay away from?
Does mileage matter?
What are some problems I can anticipate?
Should I buy an x3 or x5?
Your opinions would greatly help my decisions! Please let me know anything u think I should know! Thanks !!!!!
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Old 10-09-2019, 05:10 PM
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-one thats not been maintained

-yes and no. See above.

-standard bmw gasket failures and hard part failures as a result of following the bmw maintenance schedule.

-depends. The E83 is the last of the analog BMWs.

Better questions are what your skill set is, and how deep your pockets are? If youre shopping for a decade old car Im hoping the former is more full than the latter.


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Old 10-09-2019, 05:18 PM
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In order:

-one that's not been maintained

-yes and no. See above.

-standard bmw gasket failures and hard part failures as a result of following the bmw maintenance schedule.

-depends. The E83 is the last of the analog BMW's.

Better questions are what your skill set is, and how deep your pockets are? If you're shopping for a decade old car I'm hoping the former is more full than the latter.


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I have no problem working on the the bmw i6 like I said I drove a 3 series for a very long time and did my own maintainence and repairs. I guess I should ask is there a certain year or series that I should stay away from or certain features that are problematic?
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Old 10-09-2019, 05:44 PM
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A lot of things tend to fail at around the 85k-100k mile mark.

The 2007-2010 models are a bit more refined (interior materials, n52 engine, exterior styling). I prefer them but others will have their own opinion.

They are very nice driving cars.

They require a lot of maintenance.

You will love and hate it.
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Old 10-09-2019, 05:48 PM
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A lot of things tend to fail at around the 85k-100k mile mark.

The 2007-2010 models are a bit more refined (interior materials, n52 engine, exterior styling). I prefer them but others will have their own opinion.

They are very nice driving cars.

They require a lot of maintenance.

You will love and hate it.


With this being known should I target a car with over about 110k and a good maintenance record? so possibly those issues that arise were already taken careof?
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Old 10-09-2019, 06:25 PM
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With this being known should I target a car with over about 110k and a good maintenance record? so possibly those issues that arise were already taken careof?


If the vehicle is for sale at 110k doubtful anything was taken care of.


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Old 10-09-2019, 07:16 PM
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x3 or x5 have more problems than 3 series and will have more cost for repair.

Based on the data I collected, it could be around 300 dollar more per year.
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I drive an e53 X5 and my wife drives an 08 E83 X3. I would say maintenance and repairs are both going to be similar to a 3 series (which I owned for 15 years and just recently sold). The X3 is a lighter, more nimble vehicle, which my wife seems to appreciate as she runs around town. It gets a little better fuel mileage, yet is "peppy". My X5 is a much heavier vehicle and is not quite as "peppy" with it's M54 inline 6, but still gets around fine. Unless she needs the interior room, I'd guess most women would prefer driving an X3. I find it to be just a really nice vehicle to drive.

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Old 10-09-2019, 08:19 PM
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This question has been put to us constantly...this time I'll answer in video...(the last one goes to the heart of your concerns)













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Old 10-15-2019, 07:14 AM
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Old 10-15-2019, 08:42 AM
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I'd only buy a X3 with a m54.
I'd only buy one with an N52.
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Old 10-15-2019, 09:39 AM
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I'd only buy one with an N52.
Same. Not simply for moar powr, but also for the 6L45 transmission and LCI changes.
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Old 10-15-2019, 01:05 PM
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I'll stick with the M54 any day and I'll keep my dip stick if you don't mine

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Old 10-15-2019, 09:23 PM
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I currently have a 2004 e46 wagon, a 2004 X3 and a 2007 X3 all on the driveway and here's my personal opinion.

My 2007 looks slightly more modern because it has color matched bumpers, LED tail lights and Halo's on the front headlights. Other than that the styling is pretty much the same as I've stared at them side by side on many occasions and I can only pick up a couple minor differences. The fog lights illuminate in the direction you're turning and the rear brake lights are extra bright when you slam on the brakes. I'm not sure what features are base in the LCI but on my model the side mirrors were auto dimming and folding.

On the mechanical side of things here's the big difference to me, $700 (here in Canada) water pump on the N52 and extra gaskets to leak (and leak they will). To be fair I can't speak on the difference in power between the M54 and N52 as mine was bought wounded but after a few months of dealing with the non-dipstick I absolutely HAAAAAAAAAAAAAATED IT!!!!!!!!!!

The 6 speed transmission has been experiencing all of the issues as in the thread at the top of the forum and costs an extra $100 to get flushed compared to the 5speed auto in my 04 so again I can't speak on them fairly, but after 350k my 04 transmission shifts fine...just saying

To me the LCI styling and features are cool...but not that big of a deal. The extra costs associated with the N52 turns me off on that alone, and also my negative first impressions.

Overall the e83 is a great vehicle and I would HIGHLY recommend it. So far it has been slightly more expensive to maintain but that's mostly because of the larger tires, brakes and the 4x4 system as compared to the e46.

Like everyone has mentioned maintenance is key. My 2004 with 350k runs and drives MUCH nicer than the 2007 with 220k simply because it has been cared for somewhat.

The wife is a new driver and has recently got her license and from the vehicles she has driven by FAR her favorite is the X3. She likes the seating position, visibility and the way it handles "because it doesn't feel like it's tipping". For day to day driving, I definitely prefer the X3 over the e46 but it is a little bit on the small side of things for my SUV needs. I'll be checking out the X5 side of things but 8 cylinder german engines are scary
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Old 10-15-2019, 09:54 PM
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I'm in the M54 group. Cheaper parts, easy to work on (I've owned E36's so there was some similarity there...). Forget the X5 unless you need a slightly larger vehicle (very little extra room). The 4.4, 4.6, 4.8 have those timing chain guide issues that I would hate to tackle. The M54 3.0 X5 is fine and more reliable but man...19 mpg highway just sucks.
I purchased a 2006 X3 because I prefer the look of the colored bumpers. The M54 doesn't feel underpowered but I've never driven a N52 engine so I don't know what i'm missing.
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Old 10-16-2019, 06:14 AM
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I have both an 07 and 08 X3. They both have the N52, but the 08 has the "servotronic" steering which is much, much lighter than the 07. Depending on your wife, this might be important

I'm not sure if it was only available post 2008, or as an option on earlier cars.

My 08 may have an overall upgrade package which included the steering, as it has leather, heated seats and nav, that the 07 doesn't

To your earlier question - a car at 110k with a dealer/indy service history would be perfect, but you are straying into DIY territory at that price-point. When I sell mine, I'm not sure how convincing a bunch of ECSTuning parts receipts will be
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To your earlier question - a car at 110k with a dealer/indy service history would be perfect, but you are straying into DIY territory at that price-point. When I sell mine, I'm not sure how convincing a bunch of ECSTuning parts receipts will be
It depends on the buyer, I think. To someone that does their own work, they may be compelling. They would be to me, at least.
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Old 10-19-2019, 12:38 PM
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Aren't all the highest mileage X3s on here all N52s? There was a guy here a few years ago with over 350k miles on his N52. Dipsticks are great but only absolutely necessary if your engine is a clapped out future sea anchor. My oldest working flathead farm engines don't have dipsticks.

Data is more important than anecdotes when it comes down to "will it last?".
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I currently have a 2004 e46 wagon, a 2004 X3 and a 2007 X3 all on the driveway and here's my personal opinion.

My 2007 looks slightly more modern because it has color matched bumpers, LED tail lights and Halo's on the front headlights. Other than that the styling is pretty much the same as I've stared at them side by side on many occasions and I can only pick up a couple minor differences. The fog lights illuminate in the direction you're turning and the rear brake lights are extra bright when you slam on the brakes. I'm not sure what features are base in the LCI but on my model the side mirrors were auto dimming and folding.

On the mechanical side of things here's the big difference to me, $700 (here in Canada) water pump on the N52 and extra gaskets to leak (and leak they will). To be fair I can't speak on the difference in power between the M54 and N52 as mine was bought wounded but after a few months of dealing with the non-dipstick I absolutely HAAAAAAAAAAAAAATED IT!!!!!!!!!!

The 6 speed transmission has been experiencing all of the issues as in the thread at the top of the forum and costs an extra $100 to get flushed compared to the 5speed auto in my 04 so again I can't speak on them fairly, but after 350k my 04 transmission shifts fine...just saying

To me the LCI styling and features are cool...but not that big of a deal. The extra costs associated with the N52 turns me off on that alone, and also my negative first impressions.

Overall the e83 is a great vehicle and I would HIGHLY recommend it. So far it has been slightly more expensive to maintain but that's mostly because of the larger tires, brakes and the 4x4 system as compared to the e46.

Like everyone has mentioned maintenance is key. My 2004 with 350k runs and drives MUCH nicer than the 2007 with 220k simply because it has been cared for somewhat.

The wife is a new driver and has recently got her license and from the vehicles she has driven by FAR her favorite is the X3. She likes the seating position, visibility and the way it handles "because it doesn't feel like it's tipping". For day to day driving, I definitely prefer the X3 over the e46 but it is a little bit on the small side of things for my SUV needs. I'll be checking out the X5 side of things but 8 cylinder german engines are scary
Hey dude, we are in the same city. I am so envy that you got 3 old bimmers. My wife raised a request to buy and 2016/2017 X1 F25,

By the way, your 350k is miles or km?
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Hey dude, we are in the same city. I am so envy that you got 3 old bimmers. My wife raised a request to buy and 2016/2017 X1 F25,

By the way, your 350k is miles or km?
350k km

Nothing wrong with the X1, specially if the wife put in a request

Maybe once you get her the X1 you can get yourself and older toy
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Get a 09 or 10 x3 3.0 si You'll love it... most of the time I got a 07 with 230k miles that I drive 100 miles a day so it needs attention more often. I think they're high maintenance but easier to work on compared to sedans. I'm very sceptical about never models because of BMW started using recycled plastics everywhere in these cars. The only good thing about 04-06 i can think of is that they have ZF tranny that's more reliable then GM
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Old 11-04-2019, 06:39 AM
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Nothing wrong with the X1, specially if the wife put in a request



Maybe once you get her the X1 you can get yourself and older toy
350k km, you must do a good job on her so she last so well.

I might buy another lexus to reduce my work, i have too much to deal with... Kids already

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Old 11-04-2019, 07:55 AM
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Nothing wrong with the X1, specially if the wife put in a request
Few things wrong:

-FWD chassis. Buy a Hyundai for FWD, buy a Bimmer or Benz for RWD.

-Transverse engine.

-4 cylinder engine that may as well be a diesel with how loud/rough they are. 4 cylinders are for Kias, BMWs use L-6s. Dropping $50k on a car that runs and sounds like a tractor is a little depressing.
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